SRT line self retreival idea

Sirnick

Sirnick

Hi all, i made the big change from ddrt to srt a couple of months now on the uni and love it, i've been thinking of ways to have my highline set and being able to retreive it with out having a second leg hanging down or base tieing it and i've come up with this idea if you were to set a friction saver for srt which i know many of you guys do but instead of having a long tail or piece of throwline attached to remove it after the climb what if you set the FS with an alpine butterfly with a biner through it but with a short tail and a counter weight 5kg should be plenty so that when you are finished the climb you would simply unclip and let the weight being down the other end for you so you can retrieve the FS? I've picked up some weights this arvo and i'll give it a go tomorrow.
Any thoughts?
Nick
 
Just watch that you dont get into a situation where you stand up on a branch or whatnot and the weight keeps the rope tight, then you lean back thinking its going to be tight and you havent tended slack. Could be a bit unsettling taking a 3 or 4 footer.

My other concern is that if it doesnt come down you might get it stuck bad enough that you might end up having to throw a second line. I got my retrievable rigging setup stuck and ended up footlocking up 70' with a 'loose' spring block hanging over my head, a bit uneasy...

I hope it works out for you, let us know!

If you need more weight a spring block is plenty heavy FWIW !
 
Just the same as i was always aware of not cutting the second leg in a base tie curcumstance, i'd have to be aware of the no visable slack of my idea i can see it being handy in a way since the uni will never lay down with sag cause it's always being held straight by me or the weight. Dunno maybe it'll work maybe it wont but thanks for your concern dude
 
Give it a go but I think 223 is on the money.

When I SRT it's usually with a cinched delta link now. Any reason you don't want that other leg hanging down?
 
I think on a lot of trees 5KG won't be enough.
If your rope is even a little bit damp it's a lot harder to pull down, samesame for when you redirect over something back against the direction of the rope going over the crotch. Once it gets woven in there it takes a strong pull to drag it down.

I'd like to know more about what you learn. This is a problem I want to solve too, I use a base tie nearly 100% of the time for SRT but I'm not thrilled with it. I also want to be able to move my TIP higher with a little more elegance than the usual way.
 
I dream about a double action, remote control snap. When you hit the ground you open your little box and press button 1 to disengage safety and the button 2 to open snap and retrieve line. They make binary encrypted remotes now that are something like a billion to one chance of interference so with 2 systems it should be pretty safe......
 
Pctree, i have thought many times about a little device that with a press of a button pulls a little solenoid that drops a ditty bag of throwline to the ground once you are done, it wouldn't be that tough,
 
Ok i've just bought a wireless remote and receiver i reckon i can make a wireless device to open a gate that drops a ditty bag with a throw line or 3 or 4 mm rope to retreive a srt setup any on with a bit of tech know how with ideas would be much appreciated
 
Make a small electro-magnet that once the power from the 9volt battery is interupted the pouch drops leaving your pilot line attached at the top?
 
Wow Dan House thanks heaps for the response, before i thought about a wireless srt line retreival i was working out how i could incorporate one of your rope sleeves into a cinched tie off system, the idea was a rope sleeve with some kind of rope grab on one end, so the working end was captive whilst the retreive end would pull the system back through to the ground. probably hard to picture (i'm not the best at describing things :) )
thanks Dan
 
What I have been doing as of late is choking of the climbing line with a delta like normal. The only thing is I do it on a lower lead in the tree. Then I just place the line through a false crotch high in the canopy. The rings of the false crotch are replaced with a large delta and a link. This gives ease of application yet still has peace of mind when having them side loaded against the crotch while moving around the tree. Seems like alot but truly isnt. Would like to see the remote trigger idea. What happens though when the bag drops and doesnt take the path that is needed??
 
Idealy the remote trigger would work with a tied off FS so it wouldn't matter what path the retrieval line took as you'd set it up to have the ball on the tail end of your climb line so the trigger would drop the bag of throwline or 3-4mm line that would be connected to the knotted side of the FS once it hit the ground you would just pull the line through and down she comes. would work with a line that is choked off to it'd just take more thinking on how to set it up so it'd drop in the right spot
 
The drop bag can have a keychain biner or two around your climbing rope to act as a traveler. It will follow your rope as it goes down. When/If the bag stops midway you can slap it loose with a quick shake of the rope. Or maybe clip the bag to the highest point of your descent gear and let it pay out as you go down?
 
i thought about that today aswell, even in a manual retrieve system if you made the retrieval legjust long enough so it's out of the way and left your ditty bag of line on the end of it once you are finished climbing just ascend back up and let the line pay out with you on the way down.

are most people who are using a choked stem tie off method with a mallion or double bowline on a bight not iusing many redirects or are you following your redirects back through before you come down to assist in pulling the tail down?
 
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i thought about that today aswell, even in a manual retrieve system if you made the retrieval leg just long enough so it's out of the way and left your ditty bag of line on the end of it once you are finished climbing just ascend back up and let the line pay out with you on the way down.

are most people who are using a choked stem tie off method with a mallion or double bowline on a bight not iusing many redirects or are you following your redirects back through before you come down to assist in pulling the tail down?

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Some thoughts:

Bowline-On-A-Bight - I <u>used</u> to cinch with a BOAB. Last year, I cinched a limb that had more spring than I liked. So, I back-tied the tail to the stem. It worked fine until I had to pull the cinch free from the ground. It seems when a BOAB is loaded on the cinch and the tail, it will roll both loops tight and it becomes un-retreivable. Try it. It will also happen if the pull down is particularly hard like when retrieving though a few redirects.

Ever since, I switched to a Double-Figure-8 (88) or an Alpine-Butterfly. Either can be loaded on the loop(s) and both legs of the line and still remain stable. The BOAB is fine if both legs are not loaded. But, the 88 is easier to use and more stable ... <u>IMO</u>.

Retrieval Line - I'm trying out and new idea ... new to me, anyway. Only tried it a couple of times ... so, the jury is still out. I don't know if it is a good idea, a bad idea, or just a crazy idea.

Anyway, for a cinching TIP, I've been using a delta, an 88 and a throwline for a pull down. This lets me move my TIP around the crown without having to yard up either the climb line or the retrieval line. Up 'til now, I've tried to keep the retrieval line separate and out of the way. But, it was always getting hung-up in the way - PITA. And, I'd work the climb line back to through any redirects to ease the pull-down.

Now, the new bit ... Instead of keeping the retrieval line and the climb line separated, I just started experimenting with the opposite - keeping them close together ... through redirects and throughout the climb. In short, both lines follow me wherever I go. So far, I've had much less trouble with the retrieval line being in my way. And, it seems to be easier to pull the TIP out through more redirects.

Like I said; "The jury is still out." I'm not sure if I'm gonna like it or hate it. But, it is showing some promise.

... just food for thought.
 
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