splicing ice tail

[ezekiel]

Any advice for splicing ice tail? Can I remove the small inner cordage? I have ordered a small splicing wand so this should help alot. The instructions from samson does not use the double locked brummel that I have done (from the Toss book) it doesn't seem as secure. Thanks all you splicing wizards!

 

[rich_h]

I would remove the core just about every time I splice IceTail, but the IceTail I usually get doesn't have the core to begin with. I think the additional core is a Sherrill thing so that they can apply the Grizzly (tm) splice to it. If you are crossing the legs over each other the core will get in the way and won't be necessary to have there anyway as you will be creating a new core with the buried legs. I personaly prefer to use locking Brummels on each.

 

[ezekiel]

Thanks for the input, the core did get in the way a bit and I was also thinking the locking brummel would be more secure, I think the samson instructions call it a locking brummel but it is not the same as the Brian Toss instructions, his make a more secure brummel. Thanks again, the removal of core will make life a bit easier!!

 

[NickfromWI]

Ezekial, a locking brummel is a locking brummel. It can't be MORE secure. I guess you could do more locks, but that doesn't necessarily increase security, though it could increase efficiency/strength.

I would stick with the directions on Samson's site. I haven't seen it with a core. What is the core made of?

Can you specify what differences you see in the Toss directions and the Samson directions?

love
nick

 

[IJB]

Nor did my Ice Tail come with a core... is this a new to all bulk orders? I dig the idea though, actually that's the first thing I did: added a polyester core to beef up the cordage when I tied my first eye/eye with fishermans knots.

 

[ezekiel]

Nick, my bad, the Toss splice is a McDonald Brummel. I tried it with some nylon hollowbraid, and it does seem more secure (to me anyway) but I am a splicing newbie. Thanks for the information. The core is very small, I am not sure that it does much. I had not noticed it before, but this is my first splice on ice tail. I am waiting for my small splicing wand, but I will try one this weekend with out the core.

 

[NickfromWI]

Ahhh, the MdDonald Brummel. That version yields the same results as a typical brummel, but it is a way to accomplish the lock without accessing the tail end of the line.

For climbing applications, a single lock is quite adequate.

I like using the wand on ice tail.

love
nick

 

[ezekiel]

I tried one with the McDonald (two) brummel and then buried the tail, I like how the McDonald captures the brummel (is this the right terminolgy?) I think it does add a level of security. Any thoughts?

 

[NickfromWI]

If I showed you a splice done with the McDonald brummel and a standard locking brummel, you wouldn't be able to tell which was which. The finished product is the same.

Can you post pics of what you are doing?

love
nick

 

[ezekiel]

Nick, I will post some pics later today. On the locking brummel (samason) the tapered end runs through the line twice and is then buried. With the MacDonald, the tapered end runs through the line, then the tapered end is run back through itself, just below the eye formed by the first pass. This makes a hockle through which the eye is passed. Once this is done, the spin from the hockle "grabs" the tail and keeps it in place, with the other way, you can pull the eye open (before it is buried). Maybe this makes sense, but I will photo the steps in a bit and put them up. Thanks!!

 

[ezekiel]

Nick, I realized that I didn't know how to do the locked brummel. I was going off the pictures from the samson site. To me, it did not illistrate the brummel. I did learn today what you meant about the MacDonald doing the same with out using the other end. Today I did the brummel using the other end. I have the photos but have yet to load them onto the computer. I thank you for the input a hopefully I will get photos up tomorrow! Happy Friday!