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Sherrill's PI splice
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Re: Sherrill\'s PI splice
I've just recently tried to start doing some of my own splicing, only tried some spare pieces of my PI as well. But that seems about right, 12" is about a single fid length for 1/2" double braid. I remember talking to Jim Fiorentino who does the splicing for Shelter Tree, and he showed me a few splices and I think I recall him saying the bury on double braids is shorter because of the amount of grab you get with the core doubled up on itself or something to that affect? Dont quote me on that.
My PI is also showing a puff of core at the eye as well. Should this really be cause for concern? Retire the line, or not be too worried about a single core strand poking through the cover?
I've just recently tried to start doing some of my own splicing, only tried some spare pieces of my PI as well. But that seems about right, 12" is about a single fid length for 1/2" double braid. I remember talking to Jim Fiorentino who does the splicing for Shelter Tree, and he showed me a few splices and I think I recall him saying the bury on double braids is shorter because of the amount of grab you get with the core doubled up on itself or something to that affect? Dont quote me on that.
My PI is also showing a puff of core at the eye as well. Should this really be cause for concern? Retire the line, or not be too worried about a single core strand poking through the cover?
Norm_Hall
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Re: Sherrill\'s PI splice
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What's up with this??? Core was hemorrhaging.
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Wasn't 'zero'd out' during the splice.
There was too much core for the length of the cover in the eye. The core had to go somewhere, so it started to herniate at the point where it sees the most bend.
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What's up with this??? Core was hemorrhaging.
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Wasn't 'zero'd out' during the splice.
There was too much core for the length of the cover in the eye. The core had to go somewhere, so it started to herniate at the point where it sees the most bend.
Norm_Hall
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Re: Sherrill\'s PI splice
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This is the crossover and core bury. Take note of the extremely short core bury.
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Should be 1/2 of a 7/16's tube fid length. That's waayyy too short.
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This is the crossover and core bury. Take note of the extremely short core bury.
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Should be 1/2 of a 7/16's tube fid length. That's waayyy too short.
Norm_Hall
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Re: Sherrill\'s PI splice
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Throat of the splice clearly smaller in diameter when compared to manufacturer specs.
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Very good observation.
The splice should have an ID # on it. This will tell who did the splice.
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Throat of the splice clearly smaller in diameter when compared to manufacturer specs.
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Very good observation.
The splice should have an ID # on it. This will tell who did the splice.
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Re: Sherrill\'s PI splice
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Throat of the splice clearly smaller in diameter when compared to manufacturer specs.
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Very good observation.
The splice should have an ID # on it. This will tell who did the splice.
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I've lost the piece with the serial number. I did call Sherrill about it and they were completely uninterested.
Definitely not yale double braid class 1 specs. I've heard about Sherrill having their own "special" way of splicing PI.
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Throat of the splice clearly smaller in diameter when compared to manufacturer specs.
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Very good observation.
The splice should have an ID # on it. This will tell who did the splice.
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I've lost the piece with the serial number. I did call Sherrill about it and they were completely uninterested.
Definitely not yale double braid class 1 specs. I've heard about Sherrill having their own "special" way of splicing PI.
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- rhode island
Re: Sherrill\'s PI splice
Slightly different situation here. Poison Ivy is a proprietary product made for Sherrill by Yale. Yale doesn't want to/can't talk about it. I called Sherrill and asked if they were doing any splices differently from manufacturer specs and they said "no". I don't believe that based on what I can see.
Slightly different situation here. Poison Ivy is a proprietary product made for Sherrill by Yale. Yale doesn't want to/can't talk about it. I called Sherrill and asked if they were doing any splices differently from manufacturer specs and they said "no". I don't believe that based on what I can see.
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Re: Sherrill\'s PI splice
Damn Norm, good evaluation, I wouldn't have figured it out from the pics but now that norm mentions it, it looks like it wasn't zeroed and I'll hazard a guess the core reduction is overdone too.
As for length though, it's hard to tell. My (amateur) core buries are in the neighborhood of 4-1/2" when it's done... 1/3 fid from 'X' to 'Z'. That one looked shorter, Especially given how deep the crossover went into the throat. Good idea to take it apart, the throat definitely looks too narrow.
Damn Norm, good evaluation, I wouldn't have figured it out from the pics but now that norm mentions it, it looks like it wasn't zeroed and I'll hazard a guess the core reduction is overdone too.
As for length though, it's hard to tell. My (amateur) core buries are in the neighborhood of 4-1/2" when it's done... 1/3 fid from 'X' to 'Z'. That one looked shorter, Especially given how deep the crossover went into the throat. Good idea to take it apart, the throat definitely looks too narrow.
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- rhode island
Re: Sherrill\'s PI splice
I don't think it has that much to do with core/cover balancing. I think there wasn't enough of a core bury, especially with that taper, for the whole splice to work right. It seems like the chinese finger trap effect didn't work because of lack of material. Since it wasn't being captured by the "finger trap" it pulled into the eye forcing to much material to be in one spot resulting in the hemorrhage.
I don't think it has that much to do with core/cover balancing. I think there wasn't enough of a core bury, especially with that taper, for the whole splice to work right. It seems like the chinese finger trap effect didn't work because of lack of material. Since it wasn't being captured by the "finger trap" it pulled into the eye forcing to much material to be in one spot resulting in the hemorrhage.
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- rhode island
Re: Sherrill\'s PI splice
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Use Yale's specs for Blue Moon, if available.
Should be the same as PI.
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This isn't about the instructions that DIY splicers should be using. PI is a proprietary product made by Yale for sherrill tree. Blue moon is a Yale product. They might be the same(and are) but they can't say that.
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Use Yale's specs for Blue Moon, if available.
Should be the same as PI.
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This isn't about the instructions that DIY splicers should be using. PI is a proprietary product made by Yale for sherrill tree. Blue moon is a Yale product. They might be the same(and are) but they can't say that.
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- rhode island
Re: Sherrill\'s PI splice
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My PI is also showing a puff of core at the eye as well. Should this really be cause for concern? Retire the line, or not be too worried about a single core strand poking through the cover?
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Yeah retire it for sure. Well, chop the splice off anyway. I got this splice from someone else, I noticed it during the workday, and chopped it before he could say peep.
Would you post some pics of your splice?
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My PI is also showing a puff of core at the eye as well. Should this really be cause for concern? Retire the line, or not be too worried about a single core strand poking through the cover?
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Yeah retire it for sure. Well, chop the splice off anyway. I got this splice from someone else, I noticed it during the workday, and chopped it before he could say peep.
Would you post some pics of your splice?
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- Orange, MA
Re: Sherrill\'s PI splice
I'll have to grab the rope from work Monday. Its not as bad as yours, I believe its only showing from between 2 cover strands, and not separating all the strands like shown in yours, but is still certainly bulging the core.
I'll have to grab the rope from work Monday. Its not as bad as yours, I believe its only showing from between 2 cover strands, and not separating all the strands like shown in yours, but is still certainly bulging the core.
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- rhode island
Re: Sherrill\'s PI splice
Don't use it. The splice probably isn't functioning as it should.
Don't use it. The splice probably isn't functioning as it should.
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- Orange, MA
Re: Sherrill\'s PI splice
Good looking out. Rope is probably just over a year old, in good shape. Should I not even waste my breath calling Sherrill on it? I'm assuming by the fact you said they were uninterested in this fact they probably wouldnt be too willing to replace huh?
Good looking out. Rope is probably just over a year old, in good shape. Should I not even waste my breath calling Sherrill on it? I'm assuming by the fact you said they were uninterested in this fact they probably wouldnt be too willing to replace huh?
