Shady Red Oak

Tip line/butt line combo is da bomb!

Power is nothing without control, even w/a butt line going strait to the ground you'll have 'wonkiness'. Me no likey 'wonkiness'. Smooth, deliberate and controlled.
 
Tod, I'm guessing you were lifting on the tip of the piece being cut, if the bottom of the same piece is secured with another rope how could it swing?
I understand what you're doing with the rope around the trunk but I'm thinking it would make it easier on the climber if that butt hitch was tied higher and on the piece being cut with a simple running bowline.
The GRCS is lifting from above and the tag line pulling from below controlling the swing.
 

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That looked a well thought out plan to me Tod. Seems a good job well done.

A couple a comments on issues raised:
- The one handing the saw is forgivable in that situation. I don't think i would have lanyarded in there if there was a risk of the piece coming my way, so one hand is needed to hold balance. I think the criticism is a bit academic in that painful and awkward position. Lets not forget this is a very dodgy tree!

-The chainaw use in the logging pic was unecessary and more awkward than it it had to be though. Remember ergonomics need consideration as well as risking injury from a slip (kickback isn't likely there, but the saw might bounce a bit on a knot). Left handing a saw in that situation is fine, and in terms of ergonomics, preferable (not many opportunities to safely left hand a saw, but this is one of them /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif).

-I would have put the half hitch round the remaining fork, rather than risk it flipping off the stub, on the first piece. Also looks like you'll get an extra wrap on the hitch and friction when the pice goes.

-I would have run the butt hitch through a small portawrap/rescue 8, right there where you have a half hitch - lowest forces and smooth, and won't damage a nice double braid. I use this technique a lot on dodgy trees - super smooth.


I find it encouraging that clients are willing to pay for setting up a job like that, and executing it properly. I find most clients are understanding and appreciate it when you matter of factly point out the risks, what you can do and what it will cost.

Its frustrating when the 'desperate ones' show up and knock your bid about by taking stupid risks.

Be sure to post more pics of other jobs.

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Makes good sense to me. So after the swinging (controlled lack of) the climber whips off the half hitch and then the rope can be used as a drift line, yes?
 
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So after the swinging (controlled lack of) the climber whips off the half hitch and then the rope can be used as a drift line, yes?

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The line would be called a 'drift' line when it is first used to slow the swing of the piece because it causes the piece to 'drift' under control towards the lowering point of the second line. A drift line is also sometimes called a 'transfer' line because the weight of the piece is 'transferred' (in whole or in part) from that line to the second line.

(That being said I might have called the line with the half hitch the 'lowering' line and the second line the 'drift' line.)

Once the climber takes the half hitch off the rope can be used by one of the ground crew to help pull the piece to the desired landing spot. At that point the line would be used as a 'tag' line, a term that is applied to any line that is used to direct the moivement of a piece by pulling.
 
Oh, I thought drift line meant to drift the peice to where you want it. So I'm understanding, just getting the words wrong, thanks for the explanation.
 
Not trying to put anyone down but the whole tree could have been put down in less then an hour and half. Sometimes you have to think about keeping it simple. Simple is good less chance of things in the chain going wrong. I dont know about anyone else but the less time I spend in a tree the happier I am.
 
What a sweet job Tod has just hanging out in trees all day taking pictures. /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif just kidding, I love your posts, nice meeting you in mpls. glen
 
Good job Todd K!

Okay. I gotta ask once again because the last time I asked I didn't get much help. Again, where do you all get those reflective shirts? Who makes them? Web site? I keep searching and I can't find them. /forum/images/graemlins/bangtard.gif

Back to the removal. You got it done with no injuries or property damage, right? Then, your plan worked. Good job!
 

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