Setting trunk-cinched TIP from ground

LordFarkwad

LordFarkwad

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Anyone care to share any tips/tricks/techniques/tactics for setting a trunk-cinched TIP for SRS from the ground? It's easy enough to isolate a limb and cinch - which I've found allot of threads touching on - but I'm asking specifically about a PSP that encompasses the trunk.

I've asked a few of you privately about this, but I wanted to cast a wider net and open it up for anyone.
 

Seth Bihun's lowerable daisy chain basal anchor

I haven't seen this type of lowerable basal anchor before, and I think it is pretty great. It just came to my boss, Seth Bihun of Total Tree Care of Iowa City, one night when he woke at 3:00 am. (We call it the "tree a.m." anchor.) He starts with a half-hitch on a bight, but I've used a...
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See this one yet?
Very little gear needed.
I know a guy that uses the daisy chain hitch for rigging too, and it works well. Running bowline is just second nature, but I use it occasionally.
 
Not at a fast enough data connection right now to watch, Bango, but will check it out ASAP. Thanks, man.

Z, I guess that's what I'm asking about; is there a trick you use to do that, which is different than isolating a limb, or do you somehow do the exact thing to wrap a spar with a throw line? I was imagining multiple throws, the first one front to back, then back to front so that the throw line is 180deg around the trunk. Then tie whatever preferred running knot or so hardware setup (delta link, etc.) and run it up to the trunk, encompassing the trunk and whatever limbs are in the loop.

I've never tried this, but it was the only way I could think that the spar could be wrapped with a throw line. Assumed there were others. What I just described is way different than what I do to cinch on a limb.
 
You want to set a line on the top of a spar to climb it SRT? Like a limbless bole of a tree that was already brushed out and presumably climbed? Curious as to why
 
Im gathering youre after a throwline technique. Theres not an easy way to get what youre asking, in densely branching conifers. A lean helps actually, because you can aim for the 'high' side to get that bend in the line around the vertical wood. Taking both ends of a line in hand and walking out from the stump can also help get a choking loop above branches, but usually the best you can get includes lower banches on one side or a random clump of branch collars. Of course any tie in that completely girths the stem is ultimate security, but good luck getting that set in a tall,straight bushy tree!
 
climbstihl said:
He's not talking about limbless spars. The main occasion that you would need what he's talking about is with trees that have very thin branches that you don't want to tie into.
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Gotcha, re-read and guess I focused on "spar" but he mentioned limbs earlier. Yep, around the bole with thin limbs is preferable, over a few limbs and wrapped around the stem to tie off to another tree is also very common.
 
Don’t go for your psp off the batt. Conifers are cake to climb once your in the limbs just blast a shot over half a whorl or as much of it as you can. For the bushy ones just get the weight on the ground before trying to do anything else, then get either a big 20oz weight or make one (old window sash weights work great. Then use that to make sure you can manipulate your line back down. Works great for grand firs
 
Thanks to those that filled out the intent of my post before got back; talking about trees with tiny and/or brittle limbs (pines in my yard and allot of others around here, specifically - I thought it would have been a useful technique to know).
 
Evo, sometimes the limbs are >50' off the ground; at this point, I can't be choosy when even trying to hit the lowest ones with a their bag. It just seemed like the best thing to do to try and get a spar choke on as soon as possible. That was my thinking. If I had 10' worth of limbs below the ones I was putting the throw line across, then I'd just set a basal and go with that, and possibly set a canopy anchor when up. But I am not at the comfort level to cinch around a brittle pine limb, or lay my life line across one or two, then run it back to the base. Gives me the creeps.

Even bushiness isn't necessarily a problem - it's the opposite situation that is problematic, I'm thinking (very few limbs that are reachable).
 
Jem4417 said:
Running bowline Yosemite tie off.
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I am okay with any number of rope and hardware combinations for cinching. The question I'm after the answer(s) to is how do you set the line around the spar from the ground, even if it's just multiple throws of the throw bag, then performing a normal cinched canopy anchor tie off, as if you were sending a running knot to an isolated limb.
 
evo said:
Don’t go for your psp off the batt. Conifers are cake to climb once your in the limbs just blast a shot over half a whorl or as much of it as you can. For the bushy ones just get the weight on the ground before trying to do anything else, then get either a big 20oz weight or make one (old window sash weights work great. Then use that to make sure you can manipulate your line back down. Works great for grand firs
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Used a 7lb weight yesterday for this very purpose...
 
Can always spiral climb line a little before tying off base tie to make tension pull climb line into trunk rather than straight up and down over sketchy limb for the SRT base tie setup....

Other way is to go right over entire crown, tie off base tie and weight with as many bodies as have available to test, and climb (whilst having lanyard around trunk) so cant swing and let rope load part of crown that could slip or break. Then set TIP or cinch aloft where you can choose the best progression Tip before resetting or the best working anchor to use. This is for those impossible messy crowns. Keep a spare rope so you can cinch the trunk and descend (if not wearing spikes) if for any reason get into trouble (or get an eerie feeling)...

Can sometimes spend ages on the ground trying to get the perfect TIP or base tie point that will only be moved again once aloft...
 
I’m only speculating because I haven’t tried a simulation yet but looks like if you did take a fall with that setup ... you’d be hanging from your fingers pinned to the tree like Jesus ... would you be able to escape?
 
ßrit said:
I’m only speculating because I haven’t tried a simulation yet but looks like if you did take a fall with that setup ... you’d be hanging from your fingers pinned to the tree like Jesus ... would you be able to escape?
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He actually mentions in the video that your fingers are going to take a pinch, so, right on.
 
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