Secret Weapon question
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Jeff_Cochran
New member
- Location
- Memphis TN
tie dress and set your knots better, those scaffold knots look really loose.
Phil
Carpal tunnel level member
- Location
- Oak Lawn, IL
if it were me, I would use thimbles in each of the eyes to increase bend radius around the rings. And I would dress those scaffold knots up a bit more (get them all tight and snug)
- Location
- Home of the New Jersey Devils
I think the idea is fine as long as the rings are tested and rated and thecordage is rated appropriately.
KentuckySawyer
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- Location
- Louisville
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if it were me, I would use thimbles in each of the eyes to increase bend radius around the rings. And I would dress those scaffold knots up a bit more (get them all tight and snug)
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In my opinion the bend radius is fine. The scaffolds are fine, but should be dressed up a bit. Personally I don't like a really long SW. Just long enough to tie a Distel.
if it were me, I would use thimbles in each of the eyes to increase bend radius around the rings. And I would dress those scaffold knots up a bit more (get them all tight and snug)
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In my opinion the bend radius is fine. The scaffolds are fine, but should be dressed up a bit. Personally I don't like a really long SW. Just long enough to tie a Distel.
- Location
- Orange, MA
- Location
- Bloomington, Indiana
I don't think JeffL's setup is a Secret Weapon. I don't see that it will fall off of the host line when the climbing line is pulled out.
Norm_Hall
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- Wauconda, (Chicago),IL,USA
I didn't realize the secret weapon was defined by the ability to pull it off the remote line. I thought it was just a device that allowed you to climb DdRT off SRT. Anyway Jeff L's model certainly looks like a weapon if not a secret weapon
nice work Jeff I may need to fashion myself one of those.
nice work Jeff I may need to fashion myself one of those.
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- Bloomington, Indiana
hesanarborist wrote:
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I didn't realize the secret weapon was defined by the ability to pull it off the remote line.
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It is.
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I thought it was just a device that allowed you to climb DdRT off SRT.
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It's not.
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It's not a SW.
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Thanks for backing me up Norm.
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I didn't realize the secret weapon was defined by the ability to pull it off the remote line.
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It is.
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I thought it was just a device that allowed you to climb DdRT off SRT.
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It's not.
Norm wrote:
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It's not a SW.
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Thanks for backing me up Norm.
Excuse my ignorance I only thought that because I have seen a setup with a pulley attached to a handled ascender backed up with a hitch on top and the drt running through the pulley and this was noted as "the secret weapon"
- Location
- Orange, MA
Eek, my mistake. Sorry, new to the SRT ascent game. I apologize dearly for the incorrect use of terms.
- Location
- AZ
I didn't know this about the "secret weapon" either. But...why would you need to remove it from the access line anyway?
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- Orange, MA
They may have an answer, but i worked off my "floating anchor " a bunch this weekend, after pushing it up my access line with my top ascender. Then id just pull the complete system out as one piece when i was finished working off it.
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- AZ
That's how I use it too. But I can see where it would be useful to remove the secret weapon in order to pull out a traditionally installed line.
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- Orange, MA
Ohhhhhhh, now it makes sense. Ive run up a cinch a few times, only to later realize i can't retrieve it with the tail, since the midline knot would jam on ascenders/floating anchor.
"Technically" do you have to spike your line using the secret weapon, or no? Or do you just do a slip knot without clipping a biner in so it can be pulled out from the ground?
"Technically" do you have to spike your line using the secret weapon, or no? Or do you just do a slip knot without clipping a biner in so it can be pulled out from the ground?
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- Chardon, OH
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This has been pretty darn slick for a secret weapon for myself. Just running with a 6 coil prussik.
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Very sweet idea.
The bend radius on the eye-to-pulley ends looks a little extreme.
What's the cord material ?
This has been pretty darn slick for a secret weapon for myself. Just running with a 6 coil prussik.
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Very sweet idea.
The bend radius on the eye-to-pulley ends looks a little extreme.
What's the cord material ?
- Location
- Orange, MA
All gear tech cord in 5/16".
- Location
- Federal Way WA
I believe the original SW was tied with the Marchard. When it was shown to me by Frank Chipps in 2002, we used it on both doubled line and on a single line ascent. Tied it with as many wraps as possible, and used the last little bit as a "handle" during the ascent.
Norm_Hall
New member
- Location
- Wauconda, (Chicago),IL,USA
The original, by John Ransom, was tied onto a doubled rope for secured footlock ascending. The SW was his anchor (instead of footlock prusik) with a climbing system installed in it. After ascending to his working position, John would tie a doubled slip knot beneath, with no biner, and start to prune. After reaching the ground, John would pull out the doubled slip knot and remove the SW as you would a ring & ring FS, so the ascending line could be removed.
