Secondary tie-in for spurring: choked split-tail climbing line -OR- running bowline -OR- ??

Adding onto the midline cinched TIP post...

A "running bowline WITH a bight" could be tied onto the line, encircling the standing part of the line on the other side of the tree - circumventing the need for hardware altogether (except to secure the tail of the BWAB from unraveling).

Edit: I THINK! If there is a 'gotcha' with this idea, I'd appreciate someone pointing it out. I'm just thought-experimenting.

DSMc said:
An alpine butterfly with a 3/8" Maillon is a simple and bomber, true mid-line set and mid-line connectable setup.
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So many ideas, I keep forgetting ones like this. Dag. Thanks for bringing this up, DSMc. I have a delta maillon rapide (which I've not used yet).

Additional edit: there's always the possibility that if a midline TIP were used, the tail could become loaded. A bad situation would be to use a knot where, if the standing part and tail were loaded, it would roll out or otherwise unravel itself. In experimenting, the bowline ON (not WITH) a bight seems like it might possibly be dangerous to use this way, since loading the tail and standing part of the line (which exit the knot in the same direction) spreads the girth-hitched portion of the knot apart. Now, perhaps the loop of the knot being around something else would prevent the girth-hitched part from fully being able to unravel, rendering my point moot, but it looks scary to see the thing invert when loaded that way.

Again, loading it like this is very unlikely, and - in the event it does happen - something got mucked up profoundly.
 
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A bowline on a bight should work, I've seen it used as a basal anchor in treestuffs SRT webinar too.
I wonder if a yosemite finish would make it more resistant to deforming when loading the tail.
 
The bowline is a great knot that I use all the time, literally. However, its stability is dependent on rope characteristics and what kind of load it is expected to hold. Hard ropes and dynamic loads are not the best time to be using a bowline.
 
Thanks, y'all. The long and short of it is that, at this point, I'm getting into theoretical ground, as opposed to anything practical, since I have been and will be working with the end of the line. I can just tie an AB with a ring or quick link (delta) and roll on.

What's more driving the whole midline attach deal is just trying to add to the bag of tools at this point. Gaining familiarity with as many safe approaches as possible.
 
LordFarkwad said:
Thanks, y'all. The long and short of it is that, at this point, I'm getting into theoretical ground, as opposed to anything practical, since I have been and will be working with the end of the line. I can just tie an AB with a ring or quick link (delta) and roll on.

What's more driving the whole midline attach deal is just trying to add to the bag of tools at this point. Gaining familiarity with as many safe approaches as possible.
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You got it man, just take it easy and slow and keep doing your research, so much stuff to learn and then to figure out what you like and feel good doing.
 
So, I've been reaching out to local tree services/guys for about a month, and it's been going about how I expected it to go. Is this the "busy" season for tree work or something?

Closest I've gotten - even in the midst of offering to be compensated for whatever an hour of their time is worth - is 'text me some pics of your setup and I'll see if some of the boys might take a look and tell you if it's mucked up'.

So, I'm on my own for the short term (plus books and the internet).

Thanks for all the assistance, feedback, and wisdom I've received on here from you guys! Very neat that all of you with experience are giving back to the community of arborists abd potential arborists in your free time.
 
LordFarkwad said:
So, I've been reaching out to local tree services/guys for about a month, and it's been going about how I expected it to go. Is this the "busy" season for tree work or something?

Closest I've gotten - even in the midst of offering to be compensated for whatever an hour of their time is worth - is 'text me some pics of your setup and I'll see if some of the boys might take a look and tell you if it's mucked up'.

So, I'm on my own for the short term (plus books and the internet).

Thanks for all the assistance, feedback, and wisdom I've received on here from you guys! Very neat that all of you with experience are giving back to the community of arborists abd potential arborists in your free time.
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No this is def the slowest time of the year for most of us. Don't give up easily because there's gotta be somebody near you willing to help you. Its an easy few bucks. Makes me mad, wish we were closer. Im in New York. Id say keep trying and calling more guys. Keep reading books and researching on here. And keep practising.
 
As much a I hate to admit it, the questions you are asking about here on the buzz and the answers that have been given, may apear to be common knowledge to all tree professionals. It is not! Many, if not most tree companies are still working with 20 year old techniques and climbing equipment. You will need to vet them, hopefully by seeing them at work, to be able to trust what they may advise.

You seem to have more common sense, than many others that have tried learning these systems so even on your own and the questions you ask on here, your chances for success are good.
 
That's a bit harsh. If you've completed a degree in engineering ( was it electrical?), you've got the brains to figure this out. You're probably not gonna make 6 figures as a contract climber anytime soon, but I suspect that's not your intention anyways. Keep safety as priority number 1, and don't take on anything you can't handle. If you are afraid you might be in over your head, then fess up and walk away. Glad you're trying to reach out to your local tree guys. Keep at it, someone will probably give u some Saturday hours, and some working time alongside someone experienced will help you along alot. Meantime, take advantage of the forum. It's a great resource with some of the best minds in the industry.
 
Yessir, electrical.

Thanks, man. That's pretty much my thinking, and what I'm doing - taking it slow, memorizing everything I can, practicing close to the ground, reading what feels like 1000 pages a week, watching videos, asking questions, etc., etc.

Very enjoyable so far.
 
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As much a I hate to admit it, the questions you are asking about here on the buzz and the answers that have been given, may apear to be common knowledge to all tree professionals. It is not! Many, if not most tree companies are still working with 20 year old techniques and climbing equipment. You will need to vet them, hopefully by seeing them at work, to be able to trust what they may advise.

You seem to have more common sense, than many others that have tried learning these systems so even on your own and the questions you ask on here, your chances for success are good.
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That is the truth. There is a local guy who still uses spikes to prune, no joke. Old boss knocking on srt and bridged saddles "when ya get to my age you won't want to step into your saddle." Nah man, I'll want to climb without body thrusting up damn trees.
Keep up the search, and do your best to forego the confidence jump with subsequent lapse of reason. Wicked common time to space out and mess up.
 
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