Secondary Climbing Line From an Access LIne

[Treebeard]

Mark B, that is how i would use it, but i do not understand or visualize how this can be retrievable or is it? maybe you are using it for ar event only?

 

[Mark_B.]

... ah, the retrievability. Bit of a holy grail, that. No it's not retrievable, that's where the SRT options score.

But arguably in-line anchors don't have to be retrievable. You're using it during an ascent into the canopy, do one or two bits one side, finish the ascent, pop in your false-crotch and off you go. In this scenario it doesn't have to be retrievable.

 

[Treebeard]

thank you for the clarification, that is what i was thinking, but on this site you never can tell what secret weapon will pop up. but point well taken that each tool or technigue used has advantages and disadvantages so choose wisely ..........

 

[didjon]

Re: Secondary Climbing Line From an Access LIne

The one problem I see with use of an inline for climbing is.The idea of the access line is not only for easy access for the climber but quick access for a rescue situation when you run your system off the access line,especially if you leave your work line midline is a rescuer will have great difficulty using the line for rescue.For example if an injured climber is out hanging in a limb with a flat line and you begin to footlock on this you will affectively create a partial tyrolean on their line this force could well dislodge the injured climber from the branch they are hung up in or make them a human camalot thus increasing the potential for further injury.The rescuer who is footlocking up could also take drop in the access line.The lower the work system is set the worse this affect will be??????

Didj

 

[treebing]

I have been experimenting with this technique and with ways to make it retrievable. The "weapon" is only cool if you dont have that stopper knot underneath it because how do you get the access line out when your done? SRT is the only real way but it can also suck to footlock up a single line.

By locking one end of the access line by tying a butterfly midline and pulling the tail through it to lock the rope off on the branch you can set a pulley on the locked off side of the rope but still have two lines to footlock up. This way you can still tye the marlinspike or whatever underneath the prussic. If the butterfly loop is big enough it will slide down over the pulley and knot. The ART block is good because it is aerodynamic and there is no caribiner involved. I spliced on a tenex eye and eye with one big eye onto the ART block to make the kleimheist easy.

the only downside is that you need a long rope. Another thing that I have tried is that when the rope isn't long enough to have the two lines touching ground with one side locked off, I will footlock up on one rope SRT until I reach the double rope. then before working I will set a prusic on the pulldown side of the access line with a hardware snap to catch the ART retreivle ball. This is snapped on right above my climbing hitch on the work line. Then when I am down, I pull on my rope and it goes through the pulley, catches the other line and I can pull down the whole system. Can you all visualize this? To do this though, you must decend in line with the access line which is not always possible. This is pretty much irrelevant because 200 ft of rope is plenty most of the time.

Another thing is that the pulley and the stopper knot (which I admit, I didn't even realize was called for before Nashville) must go through the crotch which can be a pain.

I have been using this technique for small jobs such as getting two limbs off off a roof or window and then coming down. It is great cause you can set your TIP up high and have all the movement but you dont have to switch over, set friction savers, and tie knots once up in the tree. Big time saver. I think though, that when climbing the full tree, there really is no point.

 

[Treebeard]

i am visulizing what i would set up for a retrievable pulley, mostly used when lowering from another tree. that could be a whole other thread. do you set pulley in the butterfly with the tail line and pull up the whole system? how does everything go around the branch? so i guess i still do not understand how it can be retrievable with a stopper knot/hitch below your prussik. any pics or drawings could help if possible.