saw for hire tv show?

Through emails today I've heard rumors, nothing confirmed yet...

OSHA has been notified through proper procedures about his work.
ISA has a response to TLC and on their website.
Many people have written to Discovery channel...which has the potential of being used by marketing as a double negative. It is drawing interest which isn't measured in good or bad.

And Mom did some research and found this:

http://www.dolanmedia.com/view.cfm?recID=449906
 
Just to follow up about the letter I sent to TLC...

The first response basically said they get too many comments to process and don't expect anything else.
The next day I received this email.


""Dear Viewer:

Thank you for contacting Discovery Channel. We appreciate your
correspondence and for taking the time to share your thoughts and concerns
with us about Saw For Hire.

In an effort to ensure the highest quality programming, comments such as
these are taken very seriously. Each and every comment is forwarded on to
our programming executives for review and consideration. Maintaining the
integrity of all of our networks is our primary goal. It is these types of
comments that contribute to creating change and improving our programming.

Again, thank you for contacting Discovery Channel.

Sincerely,

Viewer Relations
Discovery Channel""




So who knows if it will get forwarded to the next person or if it was intended to shut me up. At least I got through the first round of discarded comments.
I agree in some cases, any attention is taken as good attention. And networks breathe ratings and dollar figures.
But my opinion is my opinion, and somebody read it.

Carla
 
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Did you read Preston's book the Wild Trees? Even he used that angle. He introduced an account of a forest worker who fell and died, for the book. The worker was not even a character, and the tale of the death was really not essential at all.

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Mario did you read the The Wild Trees?

The guy who fell is a respected pro climber and a friend of Sillett, and he didn't die. WTF are you talking about?


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Why don't you try asking before you try to correct me. I'm referring to the forest worker. You tried this approach once before Moss, and it ain't working for you. The guy you tried to confuse my posting with, lives up here and I already introduced myself to him before. No confusion at this end Moss. Now - let me lay out the details so you don't mix the characters ...

It's the opening of a chapter. More than one page worth is devoted to it. The guy is a "tree worker" for the "National Park Service". His name is Truman James - the time 1991. The guy is going up a Sugar Pine in Kings Canyon National Park. So I call that a forest worker - Moss.

He appeared to be working - and it sounds like a forest.

He tries to deal with a gummed Prusik knot, detached himself from the tree, and fell when a branch broke. He died.

Of course I've read the book ... more than once. If you didn't know that before, you do now.
 
What a laugh this guy is...

"So it's 60 pounds then with a 1.3 safety factor that's 90 pounds."

I think he said something about putting on a roof of a house. I'm guessing he's an ex-roofer, it would explain a lot.
 
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Why don't you try asking before you try to correct me. I'm referring to the forest worker. You tried this approach once before Moss, and it ain't working for you.

The guy you tried to confuse my posting with, lives up here and I already introduced myself to him before. No confusion at this end Moss. Now - let me lay out the details so you don't mix the characters ...
Of course I've read the book ... more than once. If you didn't know that before, you do now.

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Thanks for the clarification. It is still not clear to me why you are on a vendetta against 'The Wild Trees'. Your unconvincing attempt to put it on the same level as the Nosak stuff seems way off the mark.

I'm outa here, if you'd like to discuss The Wild Trees please PM or send email, I'm not going to distract from the subject of this thread any further.
-moss
 
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Thanks for the clarification. It is still not clear to me why you are on a vendetta against 'The Wild Trees'.
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Let's see ... context of where you brought this up last:

Preston wrote that Michael Taylor discovered Atlas Grove.

Vaden wrote paragraphs like that Atlas Grove contained over 100 legible markings dating to almost WW II, indicating recognition and potential discovery a half century earlier - still giving credit to Taylor for recognizing significance.

Two people write 2 things ...

Moss - it seems to share resemblance to your last two replies.

Now ON WITH THE SHOW folks.
 
a few weeks ago i received a message on my phone while i was working - the message was: we're passing through on our way back from working the ice storm out east (right before Christmas). If you have a work back-log and need some help give me a call. We'll help out free for the day. This is not a joke or prank. Thanks - tel number.


I called even though i haven't had a backlog since the summer;) It was Nosak passing through. We talked a bit, he told me they were on their way home and figured they'd help if they were needed. Told him i had no jobs in the backlog category. As fate would have it a few hours after i spoke with him a call came in for a gnarly storm damaged tree - huge 40" Beech on a cottage!

Oh well. I thought is was odd but generous of him to offer the company's services the way he did. But i had also watched his video a few months ago and had mixed feelings about working with him.

thought i'd add a positive comment in the mix. maybe he's got a good streak running through all the craziness he brings with his work practices.

peace,

mk
 
Here is the script of my sent message. It didn't sock it to them like Roger B.
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But, I had to give a shout out to Mark C.

Mark. If you wanted to get national coverage of you and your business for the sake of representing all of us well, then please do it. You got my support.

Hello. My name is Jamin Mayer. I own a professional tree service in Longmont, CO. It has been on my mind and on the mind of many professional tree workers that there are show out there that are poorly representing our industry. Saw for Hire is an example. The people you are choosing to feature are a poor representation to those of us who are trying to set ourselves aside from the "hacks." There are serious ANSI and OSHA violations being captured on T.V. and out to the public to view. These violations are there to protect the customer and his/her property and for the safety of the workers performing the actual jobs. Trust me. Watching tree hacks is not nearly as entertaining as competent and established tree workers. There are guys would make your show more credible and entertaining than who you are choosing to feature. Therefore, your viewership would go up and ultimately increase the value of the show. Take March Chisolm as an example. He has been representing the U.S. at International tree competitions for over a decade. His company is Aspen Tree Experts, in N.J. if you want to start with a real pro to feature, he is the one. This in turn would correctly represent the Tree Care industry as a whole. Thank you for your time, Jamin Mayer
www.not-a-hacker.com
 
I sent 2 messages, the first ripping them a new oriface for allowing this garbage on tv, and the second asking them to engage me in a conversation, possibly an article, on why they chose this company to represent our industry. I love laughing at the videos posted here from this character. A veritable How Not To do tree work. I have visions of a former employer occasionally when I listen to this guy blather on about how dangerous trees are and how phenominal he is for possesing a gift for takin' em down. Idoit. I hope this man lives and dosen't kill or mame anyone doing more tree work. Our profession is full of great people, outstanding companies, and has ample opportunity for filming crazy work done safely. Why the TLC decieded to place this Jerry Springeresque goon on a pedestal representing our profession is beyond me. Total Loss of Credibility (TLC?)
 
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I hope this man lives and dosen't kill or mame anyone doing more tree work.

Total Loss of credibility (TLC?)

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I truly think it is going to amount to just that. His company will hurt someone badly, or kill someone. It will be sad too.

I like the T.L.C. acronym
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Ok, I'm going to say it again. Where in the world is TCIA and ISA when Discovery/TLC or any other station is pitched for a show featuring arborists?

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We should be contacting them, they are the voices of the industry after all........

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I did both today, cheers to Greg, for putting it out there. Why not contact OSHA and ANSI as well?
 
And to think of all that hard work TCIA did to lobby for us simply to ride the dang ball of a crane....

I wouldn't be surprised that the abolishment of crane assisted tree removals are right around the corner.

Thanks to Nosak...
 
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Preston wrote that Michael Taylor discovered Atlas Grove.

Vaden wrote paragraphs like that Atlas Grove contained over 100 legible markings dating to almost WW II, indicating recognition and potential discovery a half century earlier - still giving credit to Taylor for recognizing significance.

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I'm such a weakling, I said I wasn't going to respond.

How about take it up with Richard Preston, there is contact info on his web site. Ok, I'm really done with talking about this in this thread.
-moss
 
I think the $200k is a bit inflated. The portion that he put together was the weekly shows for Tulsa. Once he sold those shows to TLC they injected a bit more to fill in where he hadn't. I don't know this, but I'm going to believe it until another day, Nosak must have gotten paid for putting his shows on the local TV station in Tulsa. That would have paid him for some of his costs. If he couldn't afford to make the shows then he wouldn't have started down that path. Since he did...making hay about the cost of research and development falls on [my] deaf ears. That's part of doing business.

He did figure out how to make a buck doing, in a fashion, what the rest of us do day to day.

From a straight business stance, I'm envious of his skills at self promotion. But, from a professional stance I'm embarased and disappointed with what he has produced.
 
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From a straight business stance, I'm envious of his skills at self promotion. But, from a professional stance I'm embarased and disappointed with what he has produced.

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Hey Jimmy, I hear you, I'm all for a capatilistic market. But this yahoo actually could- believe it or not- inspire someone to needlessly kill themself doing tree work. So what he put up some money to fund it, if I had money to do something like that I would spend a good portion of it researching the industry to see if what I was selling was legit. I still say the guy is a, well lest I digress, someone who needs the help of an arborist who cares.

Making a huge assumption here, but he seems like the type to blow off our help. Where is his dedication I ask, self preservation it seems. No memberships or credentials, and no, those don't necessarily make you a perfect arborist, but admittidly they do help.

Why not take that money and make some friends who actually... so hard not to go down that road. Why not educate yourself in the art and science, and help Joe Public in the process.

The show is junk, and millions will probabally watch it, God bless them all that they don't glorify this company and get hurt or killed in the process.

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I examine myself all the time Jimmy. I still think this guy is a loose cannon and TLC is guilty of being taken to the cleaners by him. I'm very far from perfect, but not afraid to throw this stone right at my tv when I see this foolish garbage on it. Do you know him? Group therapy from some true practicioners may help, if he would stand up and agree to it. Maybe for a final episode. I am glad he can turn a buck at our expense, good for him. Good for Enron, good for the mortgage industry, good for all those people who can turn a buck at others expense. Really, self examination.

Still love you Jimmy.
 
I saw a cool version of This Old House on PBS the other day. They showcased a sustainable forestry operation in Weston Mass. Everyone was wearing PPE and no accidents happened. A much more enjoyable show i must say.
 
Thanks again for starting the thread.

And to Tom and his email campaign.

I called in though - found the advertsing department and asked for someone's ear to talk to for a few moments.

Figured word might spread around the offices a bit that way too.
 
I'm not sure - being I don't have cable or other modern connections - that I've seen this guy but maybe once, on a motel t.v. somewhere.

The show had a crane back into a derelict yard, after cutting down a hackberry and removing some fencing and operate a few inches from a house, to remove a larger hackberry?

While out east for a season I contracted with just such a crew for a few takedowns. Burly, direct, and brute force.
I have to admit I held some admiration for these guys - loggers from Vermont who followed Hugo in '91 and stayed afterward. Heavy drinkin', punchin'-happy crude neaderthals, but kinships made and trust developed (had to, they often manned the controls). A solid high-end customer base too, trusted that they would do what they promised they would do, suprizingly little or no collateral damage and other than a rope burn and a close-call on a chunk comin' down thru the lower canopy, no injuries.

All the equipment cheap from salvage, no inspections on the bucket or trucks (state didn't require it), I welded my behind off staying late and fixing things that wouldn't be otherwise. I somtimes wake up in the night still, with cold sweats about getting off that job alive and in good shape. I wonder if any of them made it this far too.

I chose this outfit because the two or three "other" professed "professional" services were no different other than claiming to be, flyers and adverts especially. True, new and better equipment and the words were there but in the end they jobbed the same, if not less so than the bruts I signed with.
I just needed some climbing work for a short time and it seemed the "respected" services were shortcutting the help, trimming more than trees, and not paying the legitimate state requirements. They played politics and alliances with builders and assemblymen, the Vermont outfit were at least honest and sincere about the work, safety and methods be damned.

Once mutual respect was earned all around (I'm a Texan), they listened a little, saw some possible changes, and we got along like a squad on ambush, me learning probably more from them as they did from me. The one thing that elevated their position with me was the absolute refusal to employ poisons and the respect they showed employees (aside from close and certain death). They sold a backhoe to pay for the lowest groundie's wife's second child's heart operation.

Oh, they gave away free firewood for some of the Island black families with no jobs and shacks for homes. Can't say I ever saw the loftier "professional" outfits go that far.

Just some input to color it some.
 

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