Rope

Benster · Dec 17, 2006

Poison Ivy , Velocity , Blue Streak

stevebullman · Dec 18, 2006

the only thing i have against poison ivy is the colour....has anyone had problems with groundies not being able to see the rope and nicking it with their saw?

TreeCo · Dec 18, 2006

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I've got a 240ft hank of 1/2" KMIII I use for high srt access.
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What are you SRT'ing?

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240ft. is a bit long for my needs but it's what is left off of a 600ft. roll after cutting three 120ft ropes and I can't bring myself to cut it. It stores in a six gallon milk crate.

Benster · Dec 18, 2006

I agree with you Steve the color of the poison ivy can be a little hard to see. They do have the Hi-vy that seems to be better.

MattB · Dec 18, 2006

I'm favouring the 12mm Edelrid Timberblue at the moment, I did try the Velocity but didn't get on with such a thin diameter line.

jeff_r · Dec 19, 2006

I understand having an access line that is suitable for SRT devices. Is there a rope that is good for both SRT and working? If Blaze is 11mm, why make the switch from something like KM111 once you're ready to work? I often access SRT but only want to buy one new rope right now. . .

Benster · Dec 19, 2006

Hi Matt ,

Who carries Timberblue? I have not seen this rope I would like to check it out.
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MattB · Dec 19, 2006

Benster, as i'm in the UK I get mine from www.treeworker.co.uk - Noddy Knott. I don't know who in the US would sell Edelrid, try speaking to Sherrill Tree, they appear to be the purveyors of everything fine and shiny in respect of arborist equipment!

Iceman · Dec 19, 2006

Hi Steve

You may or may not know that Poison-Ivy does not meet requirments to pass CE status so should not be used in europe. Just thought i should mention it in case you climb on it everyday.

Benster · Dec 20, 2006

Thanks fot the response Matt

NickfromWI · Dec 20, 2006

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Hi Steve

You may or may not know that Poison-Ivy does not meet requirments to pass CE status so should not be used in europe. Just thought i should mention it in case you climb on it everyday.

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Who is this according to? I know Blaze IS approved

http://www.yalecordage.com/html/pdf/blaze.pdf

And Poison Ivy is just a beefier version of Blaze. I can't imagine it NOT being CE approved.

Anyone else know?

love
nick

Blinky · Dec 20, 2006

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Hi Steve

You may or may not know that Poison-Ivy does not meet requirments to pass CE status so should not be used in europe. Just thought i should mention it in case you climb on it everyday.

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Who is this according to? I know Blaze IS approved

http://www.yalecordage.com/html/pdf/blaze.pdf

And Poison Ivy is just a beefier version of Blaze. I can't imagine it NOT being CE approved.

Anyone else know?

love
nick

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ANSI modified it's standard for nominal rope diameter in 2000 to accomadate new techniques and kernmantle ropes like Poison Ivy and Blaze. I just happened to read about this last week...

The US Ansi Z133.1 Standard for Aboricultural Operations: Safety Requirements specifies a minimum of 1/2" (12.7mm) for climbing line but there is an exception which allows high performance 7/16"(11mm) ropes... "provided the employer can demonstrate that it does not create a safety hazard for the arborist and the arborist has been instructed in its safe use. The Strength and elongation ratings of the line selected shall meet or exceed that of 1/2 inch arborist climbing line."

I don't know how that affects CE but I'm like you, It's hard to imagine that PI and Blaze aren't approved for use in Europe. Is it possible there is a similar exception with CE?

I really like PI because it handles like my rock climbing ropes.

Blinky · Dec 20, 2006

I use Poison Ivy for for entry and working but I generally enter on DRT (with a Pantin and a Jumar). On tall trees I just start with a low TIP and work it up.

I do like the idea of having my gear waiting for my at the high TIP. I'll probably experiment with SRT entry pretty soon... maybe next time I'm with a crew that has a Bigshot.

I would definitely use PI or Blaze for SRT or DRT.

Iceman · Dec 20, 2006

Blaze does meet CE and EN Status required, but Poison Ivy due to some small change in construction to make it .7mm bigger cannot pass EN requirements. This is according to Yale themselves.

mtnman8 · Dec 20, 2006

"Securelite™" 24-Strand Braided Polyester from allgear.
Love it
Of course i still have my Sterling HTP Statics, but moving from Rope Rescue into the trees need to get a new rope.

Lazarus2 · Dec 20, 2006

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Blaze does meet CE and EN Status required, but Poison Ivy due to some small change in construction to make it .7mm bigger cannot pass EN requirements. This is according to Yale themselves.

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I wouldn't think that was due to the diameter increase alone, probably makes it too low stretch to pass the drop tests.

CE marks show a product conforms to a euro standard - not which one. The times I've seen trainees turn up with new boots thinking they were c/saw protected, when all the standard was for was steel toe protection.

The standard for low stretch industrial ropes is EN1891 Type A. Blaze only meets Type B - a much lower standard. This is because it doesn't pass the type A drop tests. Type B ropes don't pass the drop test and/or only have 1800kg tensile strength.

Shock absorbancy in ropes is important for tree work positioning. Very low stretch doubled ropes are like climbing on wire in that respect i.e. could cause injury should you fall with as little as 50cm of slack (branch breaks returning from limb walk). Such falls have recorded around 1000kg of force in tests, and that was with Type A rope.