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Dog crap is all natural and it leaves a nice pleasant odor.

Plus it builds strong healthy rope cores, and makes the cover shinier.

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is there scientific data to prove this John?
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It's been a long time since a rope got pitch on it. The next time I do get gummed up the first thing I'll grab is veggie oil. If I'm using veggie oil for my bar lube then I won't have to go too far.

A bit of spot treating and scrubbing to clean up the rope. then into the washing machine if it's too dirty.

A washed climbing rope is like putting on washed jeans. A new life for an old friend. If you have a hard time convincing anyone that washing ropes is ok, have her call me Jim .
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Veggie oil is a whole different chemical structure than petro oil. Besides, the fibers in ropes aren't affected by too many chemicals anyway.
 
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Natural? You should see what my dog eats... full of toxins

I still did not see your point why your against the oil
 
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Just about as much data that there is for using veggie, canola oil.

Id like to see ANY rope manufacturer get behind this idea.

Personally I dont think Tom has any basis for his statement other than the fact that veggie, canola oil is natural. Sure maybe it breaks up sap, but again, why dont the manufacturer's recommend it's use?
 
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Dog crap is all natural and it leaves a nice pleasant odor.

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Natural? You should see what my dog eats... full of toxins

I still did not see your point why your against the oil

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You should reconsider what your feeding your poor dogs.

I dont see your point why your for the use of the oil.
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So John,

You're against using food oil to clean your ropes, that's cool, nothing worse than wondering if you can trust your rope when you're up in a big tree. It would be interesting to do a strength test on the "food oil rope" I think I'de be more comfortable with the warm water wash, but that's just me.
 
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Dog crap is all natural and it leaves a nice pleasant odor.

Plus it builds strong healthy rope cores, and makes the cover shinier.

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Natural? You should see what my dog eats... full of toxins

I still did not see your point why your against the oil

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You should reconsider what your feeding your poor dogs.

I dont see your point why your for the use of the oil.
Is Tom's word golden?

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Its not what I feed him, its what he decides to eat himself.... tennis balls, shoes, wooden fences, clothes, other dog sh*t, poison weeds, pillows... just to name a few. Guess you have never had a dog, so you don't get it.

No golden words hear, just some barking from you with nothing to back up your noise.

My point for the use of Oil would be because it works?

So, what's the reason that you are against it? If this stuff is such crap, what do you do about the bar oil that splatters all over you ropes while working?
 
I use this stuff.

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I call it hippy soap because it is detergent free and all natural stuff. I prefer to wash ropes by hand, too. It's quite relaxing.

I wouldn't be bothered by veg oil on ropes. I've not tried to use it yet, but I wouldn't hesitate to do so if I had a gob of sap that needed removing.

Here's a rope I was cleaning a couple months ago...

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Johnnie got me thinking...go to the source for more information. I wrote to Bill Shakespeare from New England Ropes and asked about rope care. Here is what he wrote back:

NER did do extensive testing washing a wide variety of dynamic climbing
lines in pretty much every laundry detergent at the local super market.
There was no strength loss. As a result the statement on the attached
literature was published. Since clothing and ropes are made of the same
fiber (the leisure suit comment is relevant) and laundry detergents are
tested on clothing when a new formulation is created they can probably
be considered safe for rope. I'd stick with the popular long proven
brands regardless of claims to be "natural" and/or "green" since
they
are known entities.

Long and short of it - Laundry detergents are designed to clean the
materials ropes are made of, nylon and polyester (as well as other
materials) and they have been used for decades by billions of people - a
reasonable test.

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Johnnie and others, what do you use to clean gobs of pitch off your ropes?

At the present time it is likely that rope manufacturers haven't done extensive testing of the effects of a lot of things that ropes come in contact with. Like MTC mentioned, our ropes are already exposed to overspray from petro oil mist and saw exhaust and I have to wonder if the manufacturers have tested for those effects. I've seen plenty of ropes piled in the back of open pickups on the bottom of a heap. Saws, gas, bar oil and tools on top of the ropes. Then, the whole works is left out in the sun. Even with this bad treatment, how many times do we hear of ropes breaking?

Think of how many tool boxes on chip trucks have ropes and fuel stored in the same compartment which isn't vented. How can that be good for ropes?

From the beginning I was never saying that using veggie oil is a substitute for a proper machine washing with proper detergents. At the same time I wouldn't ever want to see pure detergents being used for spot cleanup of ropes. There is a huge difference between a cup of detergent in a large load in the washing machine and that same cup being used to scrub off a gob of pine pitch. Using a bit of veggie oil to soften up a gob seems OK for my ropes. Never would I say anyone else has to do the same.

If veggie oil was going to deteriorate plastics how would it be packaged? I'm not sure if the plastic polymers are the same though, fair enough. I'd sooner put veggie oil in my mouth than any detergent, wouldn't you?

I never thought that veggie oil was OK because it is 'natural'. Enough of my chemistry classes are still in my memory to understand that 'natural' doesn't mean safe. Turpentine is 'natural' but it won't go on my ropes. Petro based oils are natural too and I know that they don't harm ropes but I still keep them away.

Like Shigo said, 'It's all about dose.'
 
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From http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/showflat.p...true#Post124074
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LifeOnALine-Volume1_All 3 Parts.pdf


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Check out the pages 18 & 19. They did strength tests on ropes contaminated by several different things. Life on a Line, Second Edition by D.F. Merchant
was recently published.

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436,

Can you copy the test results or even summarize what they found?

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I'll see what I can do.

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It took a while to coordinate my memory with the resources!

Scanned PDF is attached.
Life on a Line, 2nd Edition is a fantastic book and dispels quite a few myths. I highly recommend it.
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lets knot forget its a rope like ....boots,, socks.....,, underwear,,,,,,, yeahi know thats a nother topic ///////rope gets dirty so do i i shower and when things are to dirrty i buy new ones try frescos site////
 
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