Rigging by yourself?

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RexMan

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I saw a post on here a while back concerning a way, while climbing, to lower your brush and retrieve your line by yourself. I've been searching for 2 days now an still cannot find it. I have two monster black cherry trees to remove and very limited help. The reason for no help... It's a job for family and the highs around here being only in the low 20s. I'm willing to pay my guys but they don't want to come out and play in the cold because there on unemployment ( yes there lazy but we won't get into that). If anyone has any tips or knows the link to the post I'm looking for it would be much appreciated.
 
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What I do in that situation is take up 2 rigging lies and a small porty. Use each end of each rope, thats 4 rigs. Then I repel down, untie and clean up, Then climb back up. In the cold weather the extra climbing helps to keep the body temp up!
 
I had no intentions of rigging any thing huge. And already thought about the portys and rappelling, then going back up. There are some obstacles but a couple of limbs I can cut and drop. The post I was talking about the knot or whatever it was was retrievable. These trees are 90'+ there's a lot of up and down, even w/ being able to rig 4 times per climb.
 
ive thought of this before. ive tyed off limbs and pulled a good size loop in the rigging rope just after tying it off and wrapped it several times (5 or 6 plus) then threw my lineyard thru the middle n snugged the lineyard tight to hold the wraps... it's always been small thou. if you tyed a runnin bowline with a bit, and had a small rope tyed to the tip of the bit to pull it back out i would think it would work. i got a small rope with a little biner tyed to the end i hook to limbs n throw to the groundie to pull the limb off'n roofs when i cant get the rope set to clear the roofline, it would probly work i would think to pull a bight outta a runnin bowline, n you should be able to pull the rope out and back up to you along with the small line n you'd be ready to rope another limb right??
 
pass the tail of the line through the crotch of the limb you want to rig or thru an endless loop and biner tied to said limb, then tie the tail off to a suitable anchor.the standing end is now your control line. Make the cut and lower the limb, once the limb is on the ground pull out the rope.Good luck with pulling it out. It works but the half wrap through the crotch or biner can really get messed up by the time it hits the ground, causing you to blow a gasket.
please Get some help!
 
It always seems to come down to how the piece lands in conjunction with the knot or carabiner. I had the same thoughts as most of you guys... Rope to pull out the knot ( easily tangled on itself or the limb ), carabiner ( will get stuck easily, and if branch lands on it, probably not coming out). Another idea I had was a 600' spool with midline knots, I could probably lower 10+ pieces without having to climb down but I really don't want the mess that comes along with that idea.
 
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I saw a post on here a while back concerning a way, while climbing, to lower your brush and retrieve your line by yourself. ...

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I remember seeing that but can't find it either.

Anyway, it's really the same idea as a retrievable SRT TIP except in reverse ... kinda. It takes a lot of rope though. Cinch the piece to be lowered with the middle of the rope. Then lower the piece with the working part through a lowering device (POW, OLDS, F8, Munter, etc.) anchored up top. Be sure to secure the standing part. When the piece is down, yard up the standing part which will pull the cinch loose.

... and repeat ...

It's a lot of yarding of rope and you still run the risk of tangles which will require climbing. But, it's a lot better than climbing to release every piece.
 
ok ok here it is the mincing it into chunks works better but if you just have to rig, then it takes a lot of endless loop runners and a munter on a steel hms krab: girth the endles loop runner above the piece being rigged and place steel krab on loop runner. take another loop runner and girth to piece to be lowered tie rope with a timber hitch above loop runner with steel krab. take the midline and attach it to the loop runner on the branch to be rigged. form and attach munter hitch to steel krab. you have created a two part lowering system to remove piece lowered out of tree untie timber hitch and pull the tail all the way through and back up to you. retie timber hitch and repeat until you run out of loop runners
 
I'll have to try that loop runner idea you have Jeff, sounds good but definitely have to play around with it first to get the hang of it. In the end I might just have to mince the whole thing up. Time is something I have plenty of this time of year not to mention I'll stay warm doing it. Both trees have REALLY good Tip's, so getting where i need to go shouldn't be a problem.
 
I'm in the Youngstown / Akron area pretty good way away from you treedoclang. Thanks for the offer though. Nothing like a rec climb in frigid weather huh?
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Bad idea i.m.o. especially when there is nowbody under the tree to support you and tangle out your rigging and climbing line.

Hire a nice collegae from treebuzz to join you on this job and make a wonderfull day out off it closing with a couple off beers and it will be perfect !

but thats just a thought....

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I think Shawn and I are on the same wavelength. Just for fun, I can bring my ice shanty and make a weekend of it. You all have some great inland lakes to fish over there.

It wasn't cold on New Year's Day, but we had a fun climb in the same tree as the master's challenge at this past years Ohio TCC. Naw, the cold doesn't bother us.
 
Here's the thread you were looking for. I have used this method (similar to Brendon's drawing) with great success.

In place of the crotch that the red rope passes over, substitute a lowering device (small porty or figure 8). This will give you more control over your pieces and allow you to lock them off while you cut, then lower them with the saw off. Be prepared, though - a removal of the size you're talking about will require many, many slings!
 
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