Rec harness?

Jonny · Nov 28, 2019

Side loading bow shackles like those should be ok, D shackles should be straight pulls only.
I was wondering about attaching a lanyard to the rings that float on the leg straps, below the shackles. Probably more comfy on the shackles though.

AdkEric · Nov 28, 2019

Bango Skank said:
Side loading bow shackles like those should be ok, D shackles should be straight pulls only.
I was wondering about attaching a lanyard to the rings that float on the leg straps, below the shackles. Probably more comfy on the shackles though.

Haven't tried the leg strap rings. I think I'd be more comfortable with the shackles. Might get a chance to try it out Saturday in the yard..if I do I'll post my thoughts on it.

moss · Nov 28, 2019

Speaking of nice harnesses, just noticed that the full Tree Motion 2018 version harness is available for a little over $500 U.S. and the new TM EVO is $499 (on treeStuff) kind of bizarre, the new model is cheaper than the old model. At any rate great prices for great harnesses.
-AJ

ATH · Nov 28, 2019

the 2018 single bridge TreeMotion is $365 at TreeStuff right now:

TreeMotion Harness 2018

The TreeMOTION has opened up new dimensions for tree climbers. It offers increased freedom of movement, individual gear loops, tremendous work-positioning comfort, improved distribution of lo

www.treestuff.com

$420, then all week you can get 13% off (code LUCKY13)

I REALLY don't need another harness...but that price makes it REALLY tempting!

Maybe you all should buy them out so there aren't any left and the temptation subsides. If I see something else in one of their flash sales, I might have to add that to the cart as well!

Tuebor · Nov 28, 2019

I succumbed and bought the Evo. Going to turn my S. Light into a stripped down rec harness. BTW, the 2018 TM is discounted at Sherrill.

Jonny · Nov 28, 2019

Yea I saw the Evo on sale earlier... I think y’all would do well to wait til Friday though. Should be some excellent sales all around.
I’m hoping to get a pair of Drayer Tango VI boots if they’re on sale.

rope-a-dope · Nov 28, 2019

The petzl ring open is a great mod for small shackles. Tree austria with these and rope bridge is my ride.

CanadianStan · Nov 28, 2019

rope-a-dope said:
The petzl ring open is a great mod for small shackles. Tree austria with these and rope bridge is my ride.

Have you set up the rings with 1 bridge or two? Fisherman termination, anchor bends or others?

I just bought 2 ring OPENs today for my tree Austria. The shackles always sketched me out

climbstihl · Nov 28, 2019

If you're putting ring opens on a harness, just get the petzl adjustable bridge.

rope-a-dope · Nov 28, 2019

I have one bridge now with anchor bends and it is roomy for lanyards still. I tried 2 ropes and the adjustable pretzel, but didnt like the asymmetry and my hydra pulley chewed up the adjuster. I didnt really use it, honestly. I could adjust a knot about as easily as the adjuster (it basically has to be un weighted and torqued while you pull out more bridge), so I did that for a while until it settled at a length that I was pretty much always comfy with. 2 bridges didnt get much use either.

CanadianStan · Nov 28, 2019

rope-a-dope said:
I have one bridge now with anchor bends and it is roomy for lanyards still. I tried 2 ropes and the adjustable pretzel, but didnt like the asymmetry and my hydra pulley chewed up the adjuster. I didnt really use it, honestly. I could adjust a knot about as easily as the adjuster (it basically has to be un weighted and torqued while you pull out more bridge), so I did that for a while until it settled at a length that I was pretty much always comfy with. 2 bridges didnt get much use either.

Thanks for the info. I'm going to start with one bridge and go from there. I used two Bridges in the past but it was more about redundancy than about separate bridge attachments

And I've never felt the need for an adjustable bridge ... I've played around with a CT Roll'n'lock a while ago until I got forced to remove it for a competition ...

AdkEric · Nov 30, 2019

Gave the leg strap rings a go today in the backyard. Not as uncomfortable as I would have thought, but I prefer the shackles. YMMV.

Jonny · Apr 17, 2020

@AdkEric or @ATH or anyone else using an older Timber or the Timber 3D

Just wondering if y’all have put some more mileage on your Timber 3D and if you got any complaints or praise for it?

ATH’s opening post on this thread is exactly what I got going on. I’m a (part time now) working climber currently on an older TM that I’m very happy with. I’m in need of a rec harness for friends and family, kids and adults, and the big attraction of the 3D is the range of waist sizes it fits, advertised as fitting from a 28” up to a 39” waist. Would you say that’s correct? As far as I know, no other saddle out there can adjust to such a wide range of waists.

I’m close to just buying it, but I’m hesitating because Sherrill has the ANSI TreeMotion for 350$ Not much more coin for what I already know is an amazing saddle.

If you could choose again and had the option of getting a new ANSI TM for around 50$ more, what would you pick as a second saddle for friends and family to rec climb? It’s not gonna be my own primary work saddle unless I fall in love with it.

ATH · Apr 17, 2020

I've only climbed in the Timber 3D a few times...but I still like it.

The thing I don't like about the TM for this kind of use is how difficult it is to adjust. Besides just being an annoyance, I'd be concerned people won't adjust it correctly and just say "heck with it...I'll climb like it already is rather than fight it" - not having it fit correctly becomes dangerous.

Also, the 3D gets bigger than the TM....doesn't the TreeMotion top out at 36".

Not knocking the TreeMotion as I am still very happy (besides the difficulty of adjusting) with it as my saddle and thought about buying another at that $350 sale price to have on extra...but I don't need to hoard saddles!

AdkEric · Apr 17, 2020

I think for a rec or occasional work climbing saddle it will be a good choice, especially if you're sharing it among various people with various sizes or body types. I have not tried a TM, so I can't compare. I understand them to be comfortable, but more difficult to adjust.

I am a size 36 in pants, and there is plenty of extra adjustability to go in either direction. I have worn it over outer layer pants in the winter and with a jacket tucked into the waist. I think I would still prefer if the hip Ds were a bit more forward.

It has enough options for gear storage for anything I do, but I think it would wear fast in a 5 day/week production environment. I have had some random stitches start to loosen (nothing that is life support) and I was surprised by how easily it happened. Nothing has torn out but I only (work) climb a few days per month. I'll try to take some pictures of this when I get a chance.

It is a comfortable enough saddle though, and I think a good option for the price point. I have modified mine with ring opens and a Petzl rope bridge instead of the shackles and webbing bridge. I don't mind the webbing, but I wanted the extra internal diameter of the rings for easily clipping into, and the rings wouldn't fit thru the stock bridge. This also solves my complaint of the hip Ds not being forward enough, as I'll clip my lanyard in the lower rings. If you hang a lot, you might find the leg pads a little on the small side.

Tl;dr- A comfortable saddle at an appropriate price point, with just a few minor areas for improvement (imo.) If I were buying myself a new saddle, for a $50 price difference I'd get the treemo. If I were buying a saddle for other people to use recreationally and needed ease of adjustability among body types I'd go with the timber 3d.

AdkEric · Apr 17, 2020

AdkEric said:
I have had some random stitches start to loosen (nothing that is life support) and I was surprised by how easily it happened.

This shows stitching on the inside of the back pad and the outside where your first aid kit cinches. Tightened it up snug enough to not have the kit slip out, yet still a little wiggle room, and the stitching pulled thru.

I have modified mine with ring opens and a Petzl rope bridge instead of the shackles and webbing bridge.

Jonny · Apr 18, 2020

I appreciate the responses guys, thanks.
I was curious about the stitching quality too, the gear storage as well as the parts that are critical, I have a foot loop from Singing Rock but nothing else. I don’t know anything about gear made in Czech Republic but I hear there’s no sweatshops and the people are usually paid a decent wage.

The big attraction was that it fits down to 28” waist which would probably fit my niece well, but she can still wear a smaller rock harness I have, and honestly she might not care to do much actual climbing. So far she’s just been pulled up and belayed down through a pulley. I think my mind is made up now, I’m gonna buy a new ANSI TM for myself, and my current one is still solid and will become the spare for friends and family.

I cut the Cobra buckle off the waist on my current one and sewed in a cinching friction buckle, and I like it a lot. No more sagging waist when I hang a bigger saw from it. If this ANSI TM has the same old buckle, I’ll do it again.

I still think the Timber 3D looks like a winner but I’m gonna stick with what I know. The lower Ds on TM are a game changer and this price is too attractive.

climbstihl · Apr 18, 2020

Jonny said:
I appreciate the responses guys, thanks.
I was curious about the stitching quality too, the gear storage as well as the parts that are critical, I have a foot loop from Singing Rock but nothing else. I don’t know anything about gear made in Czech Republic but I hear there’s no sweatshops and the people are usually paid a decent wage.

The big attraction was that it fits down to 28” waist which would probably fit my niece well, but she can still wear a smaller rock harness I have, and honestly she might not care to do much actual climbing. So far she’s just been pulled up and belayed down through a pulley. I think my mind is made up now, I’m gonna buy a new ANSI TM for myself, and my current one is still solid and will become the spare for friends and family.

I cut the Cobra buckle off the waist on my current one and sewed in a cinching friction buckle, and I like it a lot. No more sagging waist when I hang a bigger saw from it. If this ANSI TM has the same old buckle, I’ll do it again.

I still think the Timber 3D looks like a winner but I’m gonna stick with what I know. The lower Ds on TM are a game changer and this price is too attractive.

I have the Singing Rock Dome harness, which is quite well made, but there isn't any use on it either. I also have one of their biners. The other stuff I have that's made in CZ is Wera screwdrivers which are excellent.

I think for 350$ I would probably pay the little more to get the Treerex. Don't know if that costs as little in the states as it does here in germany though.

AdkEric · Apr 18, 2020

climbstihl said:
I have the Singing Rock Dome harness, which is quite well made, but there isn't any use on it either. I also have one of their biners. The other stuff I have that's made in CZ is Wera screwdrivers which are excellent.

I think for 350$ I would probably pay the little more to get the Treerex. Don't know if that costs as little in the states as it does here in germany though.

Sherril has it in their newest catalog for $499, but I can't find it on their website.