Rec harness?
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CanadianStan
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That actually looks pretty dope
ATH
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I don't think they are for a lanyard. Seems like a very uncomfortable place for one. That and many lanyards have snaps instead of biners, and it doesn't look like a snap would fit in there and have room to move around. The Side Ds certainly are for a lanyard. Might work in a pinch...if you are really struggling to get over a limb and just need to clip into something.
I'd guess the lower rings are to allow flexibility/movement of the leg straps for different sizes and also as you move around. More comfortable than having the webbing sewn in a fixed spot. If they made webbing-based loops, the webbing on webbing could wear and one could cut through the other. My TreeMotion also has a "floating" bridge attachment to the leg loops. (I'm honestly not sure why there are bigger rings down there, I have clipped into those as I described above, in a pinch!) (Edited to change "would" to "could")
Looks like the new Sequoia does too:
(but old Sequoia and Ergovation are two higher end saddles that have webbing on webbing loops)
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moss
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Yeah, Petzl has been paying close attention to what Teufleberger has been doing with the Tree Motion. Bit of an arms race going on, The TM waistbelt is tough to beat, most comfortable I've climbed on.
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CanadianStan
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I don't think they are for a lanyard. Seems like a very uncomfortable place for one. That and many lanyards have snaps instead of biners, and it doesn't look like a snap would fit in there and have room to move around. The Side Ds certainly are for a lanyard. Might work in a pinch...if you are really struggling to get over a limb and just need to clip into something.
I'd guess the lower rings are to allow flexibility/movement of the leg straps for different sizes and also as you move around. More comfortable than having the webbing sewn in a fixed spot. If they made webbing-based loops, the webbing on webbing would wear and one would cut through the other. My TreeMotion also has a "floating" bridge attachment to the leg loops. (I'm honestly not sure why there are bigger rings down there, I have clipped into those as I described above, in a pinch!)
Looks like the new Sequoia does too:
(but old Sequoia and Ergovation are two higher end saddles that have webbing on webbing loops)
The petzl sequoia had rings you could clip into, and the ergovation has rigging plates you could clip into ...
ATH
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But look where both of those attach to the leg loops...both have non-fixed straps. Not saying these WILL wear...I was just guessing that preventing that possibility is why the Timber and TreeMotion don't attach that way.
On the Petzl, I think the rings are there to allow for more movement while the rigging plate on the Buckingham gives options for different bridge placements. I don't think either are intended for a lanyard, but they are both rated for the weight, so could be used.
On the Petzl, I think the rings are there to allow for more movement while the rigging plate on the Buckingham gives options for different bridge placements. I don't think either are intended for a lanyard, but they are both rated for the weight, so could be used.
climbstihl
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On a treemotion and the new Sequoia, there is no question they're designed for lanyard placement. They don't need to have the large opening to be able to move on the legstrap, so why else would they be there. I never use my lanyard on upper D's, because you can't hang in them comfortably.
There's no depiction or description in the user manual, or their website, of using the lower rings as attachment points, but there is no warning against using them either.
ATH
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I'll have to try the lower Ds on the treemotion. I've used them temporarily, but never really on "purpose" for a full climb. Hanging from the hip Ds has always been a nice way to shift weight around. I've thought the side Ds are comfortable place to hang. Think it speaks to the versatility of how it can be adjusted to personal fit and preference!
climbstihl
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Oh, I wasn't thinking about clipping onto the rings, I was thinking of attaching to the shackles that the bridge is on.
ATH
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That makes more sense!
moss
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Swap out the shackles for the gold Petzl Open rings and you're there. If they'll fit in the shackle openings on the webbing.
-AJ
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climbstihl
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If you do that, you could also add the petzl adjustable bridge. But then, that's more money spent.
moss
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You always want to build a pathway to spending more money, otherwise why get into it? ;-)
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Burrapeg
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I have a Twist as a second guest saddle and use it myself sometimes. It is very adjustable and a really comfortable saddle with an unbeatable price. I don't miss side D's; they are just too uncomfortable to hang on. Rec climbing, I am never using spikes or standing on them using a saw, so almost never needing to lean back on a lanyard with side D's. I put a CMI TriTie (pulley with three attachment holes, similar to, but a lot cheaper than, the hitch climber pulley) on the main attach loop both to save wear on the loop and also to give me three attach holes. I climb on the center hole and use the two outer ones for the lanyard. I have side D's on my main saddle, a NT Yellow Jacket, but use them mostly just to hang gear on.
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moss
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Yep, even working I rarely clip into side D's, chunking down spars being the main exception. They are definitely not designed or positioned to hang on. Side D's are like an extra pair of hands, I'm constantly hanging things off of them, whether it's clipping in a bight of rope or temporary chainsaw lanyard (working) clip-in.
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John@TreeXP
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The more I think about the budget minded saddles, IMHO the TreeMo Light and Notch Sentinel always rise to the top of the short list very quickly. Both comparably priced saddles offer a full floating rope bridge, easily modified into a double rope bridge. Most of the other saddles are not nearly as refined and versatile. TreeMo really raises the standard for all other tree climbing saddles.
ATH
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One of us is doing something wrong...side Ds have always felt far more comfortable to clip into. I find them essential for limb walking...another point of contact for better balance.
If you aren't clipping into the side Ds, is your second time in on the bridge?
I tried using the loops/Ds/rings (what everthey are called) where the bridge attaches on my Tree Motion found it awkward and not very helpful for positioning.
I'm not claiming to be a champion climber. Mayne it is just what I've gotten used to over the last +/-15 years.
If you aren't clipping into the side Ds, is your second time in on the bridge?
I tried using the loops/Ds/rings (what everthey are called) where the bridge attaches on my Tree Motion found it awkward and not very helpful for positioning.
I'm not claiming to be a champion climber. Mayne it is just what I've gotten used to over the last +/-15 years.
Burrapeg
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I am not sure there is a right or wrong here. There are so many physical body types, different gear configs, and different styles of climbing that it simply comes down to what works for a particular individual in a particular tree.
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