QUESTION: What's the best hi-load bend to untie?

[knudeNoggin]

Re: QUESTION: What\'s the best hi-load bend to unti

SJ, again, what do you mean by "Bowline bend" ?
For I also have trouble believing that a Bowline jams --that's
contrary wide/long usage for the knot (though I've seen many
that have capsized into rather jammed Pile-Hitch-like nooses,
the mainline's rabbit hole loop having opened into a rather
broad, nearly straight, spiral; I'd think that setting the collar
snugger would prevent this).

Another end-2-end knot you might try, which has properties
similar to Rosendahl's (Zeppelin) e2e knot is Ashley's #1408,
as I recommended above.

Also, you can try this Zep. variant: have each end reach a half-turn
further so that it collars the opposite end, not its own. I.e., it
is like making an Overhand and pulling the collar 180deg *forward*,
bringing the opposite end through this and making a like structure
in it around the first side. In this variant, the mainlines make full
turns (360deg) around the nipped tails, and this might give more
stability in your haul-through-rocky-minefield circumstances. (-;

*kN*

 

[SingleJack]

Re: QUESTION: What\'s the best hi-load bend to unti

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SJ, again, what do you mean by "Bowline bend" ?

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ABOK1455

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For I also have trouble believing that a Bowline jams …

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The Bowline Bend did not <u>truly</u> jam - just very tight primarily due to the hi-load and “nubbiness” of the hard-laid rope. I carry a riggers knife on my suspender and simply used the marlin spike end to break the knots free.

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Another end-2-end knot you might try, which has properties
similar to Rosendahl's (Zeppelin) e2e knot is Ashley's #1408,
as I recommended above.

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I have tied the ABOK1408. It is very ZB’esk. However, I must confess some trepidation about it because of Ashley’s (implied) admonitions about the risks of accidentally tying a 1407 or 1409 which he termed as “most insecure” and “least secure”, repectively.

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Also, you can try this Zep. variant: have each end reach a half-turn
further so that it collars the opposite end, not its own. I.e., it
is like making an Overhand and pulling the collar 180deg *forward*,
bringing the opposite end through this and making a like structure
in it around the first side. In this variant, the mainlines make full
turns (360deg) around the nipped tails, and this might give more
stability in your haul-through-rocky-minefield circumstances.

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That sounds like a very interesting variant, indeed. I’ll have to work from your word picture and attempt to give it a try.

I’m also very interested in Brion’s suggestion of an ABOK1452 (Ashley Bend - below). It appears to be functionally very similar to the Butterfly Bend (below), which I did try. Dave Root's site expresses the opinion that Alpine Butterfly family of knots are more forgiving (i.e., easier to tie correctly) than other bends.
Ashley Bend:

Butterfly Bend:

Both of these bends, due to their structure, would lend themselves nicely to the removable stick (or pin) suggestion of Gord and southsoundtree to ease untying.

This thread started as a quest for a better bend. Your comment; ”stability in your haul-through-rocky-minefield circumstances” has brought home an unexpected benefit, a deeper lesson (beyond tie, dress &amp; set): Be very careful about how a knot is loaded and very mindful of how it behaves throughout it’s ‘working’ life.