Question on different schools

from elsewhere in that issue, page 54 or so here http://www.tcia.org/PDFs/TCI_MAG_March_07.pdf

talks about 2-year programs:

Online college courses are one way, and they are increasingly popular. Professor Joseph Murray of Blue Ridge Community College in Weyers Cave Virginia reports that fingers tap quickly on the computer keyboards when it’s online registration time for his online course in Biology. That offering typically fills to capacity in less than three hours. A consulting arborist, Certified Tree Worker and Certified Arborist-Utility Specialist, Murray is one of many college faculty around the country with real-world work experience worth seeking out. On the BRCC campus Murray has planted a living arboretum with a rain garden, an assemblage of historic trees, and several research plots contrasting various pruning styles and rootzone regulation regimens. Murray’s Arboriculture program offered on campus has jumpstarted its graduates to successful careers as certified arborists in the commercial, utility and municipal realms.

Online education also can work for students in states such as North Dakota where there are long distances to cover. Minot State in Bottineau’s Urban Forestry Technology program is led by another arborist with considerable field experience, Robert Underwood. Once completed, its six courses comprise a one-year diploma, and its credits can transfer to a degree program. Bob’s students have ranged from a 61-yr old lady who mailed him over a hundred samples of herbaceous plants from Philadelphia to satisfy a lab requirement to a 16-year old who tackled the Soils course, based on the same comprehensive textbook authored by Philip Craul as university courses use, so he would not have to take that course on campus. Bob has received Forestry term papers from a student in India, and his students on his North Dakota campus were treated to an hourlong description of the desparate state of forestry in the Sahara desert, where a load of firewood can cost half a year’s pay. “The huge diversity makes online education fascinating”, Bob says.

Universities and community colleges also offer other alternatives to the traditional semester-long courses. Some offer credit for weekend courses that prepare for the ISA certification test. Others are built around other special events, like a climbing class. Some manage to cover three credits of information in just one evening per week. By connecting with your local school, you may learn about courses that work for you without a long time commitment. You may be able to sit in on a course to see if it’s right for you. If you can make the time, full semester courses can feature field trips and the chance to meet and learn from other students in person, week in and week out, while you are learning together.


No dark sarcasm in the classroom…
Or maybe there will be some light sarcasm, flavoring real-life experience in the field. Not all college courses are dry as a xeriscape and boring as the EAB. For instance, the Landscape Design/Build curriculum at Columbus State Community College in Ohio was designed with the help of thirty professionals in the landscape industry. Professionals are also instructors, to ensure that the material stays fresh and graduates have skills that are needed in today’s job market. CSCC lives up to its motto of offering “Education that WORKS”. All graduates take the full curriculum, so whether they choose to specialize in Design, Construction, or Plant Health Care, they are grounded in all three..

The material evidently holds the students’ attention--78% of students who enter the program graduate in the allotted time, compared to 27% of those entering a nearby university. This hybridized, interdisciplinary approach has several advantages for both the school—steadier numbers of students to keep the program running smoothly—and the student—a broader understanding of the field, and diversified skills to boost employability. Combining arboriculture with nursery, turf maintenance, or environmental science has worked for other schools.
 
I will put in another shameless plug for MSU-Bottineau (North Dakota School of Forestry-1906). I appreciated Guys TCIA article from O5. I will be at the Minnesota Green Expo Jan 9-11, 2008 on the Mezzanine level if you want to visit or you can contact me online.

My AAS grads are making more than I am teaching them with a MS and jobs outnumber grads.
 
Treebear's Meyerscough College was discribed as the perfect school by our plant i.d. and propagation instructor at Olds. High praise by an opinion I respected. That distance or on-line education they offer sounds interesting. Then there is the internship with credits at Kew Gardens, that would probably be a good education.
 
I can not speak from others experiences, but from my own humble experience having attended both Paul Smiths college and Stockbridg School of Agriculture,which is actually an Agricultural Post Secondary School offering 2 year Associates degrees in the field of Arbroiculture, as well as other Green Industry fields of study, Stockbridge is an outstanding school with a very well known reputation within the Tree Care industry.I can say that not only the education, but the contacts made at or through Stockbridge far out weigh the cost of the education. Here is a little run down of my educational experience. The program director is Dr. Dennis Ryan the current chairman of the ANSI Z133 committee which is the Safety standard for the tree care industry in the US. During my time at Stockbridge we had such outstanding guest lectures, as John Hendrickson, the founder of The Care of Trees, Former NAA or now TCIA president and current Hartney Greymont CEO Mark Tobin taught my business class while I was there, Dr. Brian Kane is the other professor of the program one of the leading researchers on tree biomechanics, and wood strength properties associated with arbroicultural operations, just to name a few.

I will say that if you are not a Massachusetts resident it will be an expensive investment.However, if you want to be a top lawyer you attend Harvard, or NYU if you want to be a top engineer you attend MIT, if you want to have the opportunity to become an arborist who can not only DO arbroicutlture, but explain why,understand the science, behind it, or get a chance to meet and greet some of what have been my great mentors, then Stockbridge is the place to be. But again that has only been my experience I can not speak for others.
 
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Almost every prominent Arborist I know went to Stockbridge. Great school! No more frats though.....lol



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Define "prominent". ATG will be back.........

One thing that has not been mentioned about Stockbridge is the internship opportunities. Students are required to do an internship after a shortened second semester of school. I was a (cough)turf major(cough)and did my internship at a golf course management company. After my internship I decided golf is for retired people and cutting grass is not for me. I have been happily employed as an Arborist for over ten years now.

When I worked for a private tree co. we used to go to the Stockbridge "job fair" to recruit graduating seniors. Picture about 100 companies trying to hire 15 people....can you say....signing bonus?
 
Look into Wisconsin Stevens Point, I know Point grads working in and around trees all over the country. There is more of an emphasis on why we do what we do and how a tree responds to it. We also learned about soil-water relations, bugs/crud and GIS among a slew of other things.
http://www.uwsp.edu/cnr/Forestry/index.aspx
http://www.uwsp.edu/cnr/
http://www.uwsp.edu/

There's a few links to check out.....

Point's also a big education and fine arts school so there's lots of ladies...
 
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"I'm young. Want to practice Arboriculture. Where should I get educated"

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I too am impressed with your enthusiasm and willingness to continue your education. As you have read in previous threads and in magazines there is a plethora of schools from which to choose. In fact, you can almost pick a place you want to live (i.e. the southeast, the northeast, out west, or near home) and there will be a school that will educate in some sort of arboricultural, Urban Forestry, Forestry, and/or botany degree. As for the 2 year vs 4 year -- What do you feel you need? Where do you want to be when you are done with school?

I'm of geezer status and I choose to go back to school to get my Master's and maybe PhD. I felt that I needed to continue my education to help improve the status of the tree care industry. It is wonderful to see our chosen profession move from the arena of "the tree cutter" and "lumberjack" to that of a "Doctor for the trees". I was impressed when I visited Germany and heard the term Forester in the same context as Doctors and Lawyers as a profession. I would like to see that more, and we must take the first step.

I choose to continue my education, BUT even here on the Buzz we can learn and improve our preferred way of life.

No choice is a bad choice.
 
Stevens Point Wisconsin offers degrees in Forestry with many different emphasis'. Or if you choose to take a more hands on approach, the Mid-State technical college in the WI Rapids area is a good choice. PM me if you have any questions.
 
Thanks alot everyone. Where is Stevens Point excatly?? I have a cousin that went there, plus my Dad's family is from WI, and that is also where I would like to eventually live and work. Post more in a few, but got to go now.
 
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Almost every prominent Arborist I know went to Stockbridge. Great school! No more frats though.....lol



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Define "prominent".

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Tree Wardens of Major cities(Boston), Owners/Presidents of co's like Hartney, Mayer, TreeTech, etc etc etc, Dr.'s/Proffessors, Arbormasters............And all the rest!
 
Stevens Point is pretty much in the center if the state.

Here's a map: http://tinyurl.com/2nn4av. Zoom out a little and you'll see that if you leave Point at 9:30 Saturday night, you can be eating a gyro on State St. in Madison before midnight...

PM me I can get you in touch with my old advisor if you want!

Zac
 
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Almost every prominent Arborist I know went to Stockbridge. Great school! No more frats though.....lol



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Define "prominent".

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Tree Wardens of Major cities(Boston), Owners/Presidents of co's like Hartney, Mayer, TreeTech, etc etc etc, Dr.'s/Proffessors, Arbormasters............And all the rest!

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I guess you've got me there!
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Don't forget Save-A-Tree, and Francis A. Bartlett went there about 100 years ago (before it was Stockbridge) If I go looking I'm sure I'll find the paper Mark gave us in class.
 
I know it isnt worth much but I was accepted to Stockbridge 2 years ago and was all set and packed to leave. A week before leaving my girlfriend missed her period. Lets just say i never made it there.
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Ranger, This is my first tree buzz post, I've been hanging back for a while just observing and you gave me an excuse to post.
I am currently a student at Paul Smiths College, I am a grad of the Urban Tree Management program and recently returned to the school for more forestry, after getting my ISA certification.
the UTM program is in my opinion one of the best 2 year programs going, It gives you a huge step up in the real world and gives you a huge step towards getting certified.
The program is based around the ISA arborist cert outline, so think the study guide in a classroom, with much more in depth focuses along the way. As well as basic forestry training, landscape design, turf/greenhouse stuff, small engine repair and some business classes, including accounting... it is an excellent program. As for climbing, you get pretty solid BASIC climbing techniques (i.e. still learning with the blakes hitch) with a lot of emphasis on safety. Basic rigging, and lots of knot work and chainsaw safety, chipper safety etc. You get a very good introduction to the world of tree work (you already seem to have a bit of background)
It is an excellent place to come if you enjoy the outdoors and the connections into the business world are unbelievable (just look at how many smitties are on tree buzz)

for all those smitties:
-the guy girl ratio now stands at 7:3
- I still buy beer at teds mall
- Total on campus living and tuition has hit around 24 g's per year
- deer camp still lives on

if you have any more questions feel free to ask em.
 
Hey Ranger, sorry I could not post earlier... I have not had the time to Buzz lately.

Anyways Stevens Point is 100 miles North of Madison and in the middle of the state as Zac stated. However, finding a job in the immediate area of the school is pretty unheard of. A lot of local folks like the area just like I did but I could not find a job so I moved back to the flatlands in Illinois where I grew up.

the website for the school is www.uwsp.edu
Great Faculty
Great Classes
Great Beer (Point Beer)
Tons of fun
 
Thanks guys. I've got it down to 3, Stephens Point, Paul Smiths, and Stockbridge. in school I'm in this very advance program called IB(International Bacolorite (didn't spell it right)) And if I follow it all through High School I'd basically get a my first year college credits, and get accepected to just about any school. Can't wait to finish it all though, so I can move on to college and study what I want. Thanks for the help guys!!
 
Thanks guys. Right now I'm thinking Paul Smiths. Seeing some many people on here went there and are now successful, I'm thinking thats the nest one. I got on their website and looked into the different degrees. It looks like the Urban Tree Management degree is what I'd take. Next year or later this year is when I think I'm going to start applying for college. Paul Smith is at the top right now. Then I'll also apply for a few others, like Stockbridge, Purdue, Stevens Point.
 

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