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Maybe the emplpoyees that expect bonuses should have a look at the other side. If the grass is so green for the employer, maybe thaey should quit and start up their own operation.

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Testify!


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Seriouly though on the production bonus thing. I started that several years back with a spring bonus and a christmas bonus. Spring is always a big hussel and for christmas it's just a nice gift. True they can get to be a mess between your guys and will come to expect it, even had one ask when he was getting his. Times have been a little tougher so you cant be increasing bonues every year. I even tell Steve how much I have on each job so he knows I'm not getting rich or to take the time to do a real nice job if there is good money on it. I throw Steve a fifty now and then if I had him do something a little tricky or tedious, hope he appreciates it. I also agree with they should be grateful they have steady employment. They put in just a little over 60hrs last week. So for the hourly guys I tell them to save cause winter will be here once again. For that salary guy it does suck now until winter when he is sitting at home and still collecting his check on Friday. Origionally I told Steve he wasn't entitled to a bonus when he choose to go salary( I carried through a bad winter and gave him thousands of dollars out of my own pocket). But After all the hours we've been working I went to him and told him I would give him a bonus. I didn't want him to think I was trying to take advantage of him with the whole hourly vs. salary.
 
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Who is going to cover the costs IF the crew is always running behind on jobs? Will the crew have to pay the company owner?

I agree, why should someone get a bonus for doing their job. The employer pays a lot of things on behalf of the employee. Workers Comp, Employment insurance.....right down to remitting the income tax. In a lot of cases, operations with 10 or more employees, the is usually a person who ONLY does book-keeping.

Maybe the emplpoyees that expect bonuses should have a look at the other side. If the grass is so green for the employer, maybe thaey should quit and start up their own operation.

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Well said, I'm making about the same I did now a week as last year but it is taking way more working hours to get to that goal. If I paid my guys by the day or gave them only percentages, they all be pissed. I'm the one taking the hit in the wallet just to ensure I keep them working. As long as it can still be profitable, just with lower margins of profit.
 
WOW! I Will say this ,Over the years i have given and given!! Then the level of expectation grows!!! It must be human nature.I had one young fella who started out making 12 per hour w me,in four years I got him to twenty,added health ins,then a 401k w 3% match,bought him a gym membership,250.00$ a year arborwear allowance,Christmas bonus, company dinner,heck I even let the young man take my truck a couple time to help out some friends that were less fortunate.Now im sure this makes me sound wonderful.....!trust me I am not,I am a jerk!!
In the end we split over money that I had "promised" him.The truth is I wasn't able to continue to move him up the pay scale as rapidly as i wished because the economic climate was rapidly changing. The point is he developed a certain level of expectation that I actually created.It became difficult for me to out do myself!! Does this make sense at all?
The truth is owners and employees view things very, very differently!!
Cant we all just get along?
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I like the idea about company outings.

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How bout a paintball outing your crew against mine. I'd like to light your a$$ up. I might even fly ez in for the "company outing".

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I'll be on your team, Cameron. We did a paintball trip, about 8 years ago. It's about time to do it again!



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Can Limbwalker fight, too?


PS. We're starting construction of the beer deck next week.
 
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PS. We're starting construction of the beer deck next week.

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You're building a beer deck now? Simon wants to know "what about the economy? How it is right now?"

What is a beer deck? Do you need a deck to drink beer?


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What is a beer deck? Do you need a deck to drink beer?


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I don't think so but apparently you do need one to get married.(inside joke folks)

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Boo-Ya.



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Are you really the best that ever lived, Ed? Are you so righteous, and clean that you can throw stones at every member here? Really? Youre THAT good at what you do that you feel you have the right to bad mouth others that you dont know?

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Take it easy sweetheart I's just busting his stones.

But on a side note, hell yea I'm that good at what I do.
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You must have a pretty F'd up view of how sales actually happen.

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Not really EZ, I've done sales before at some companies. I find it boring is all. For me sales was rather simple. They call you for a service, you give them a price, they like it or not. It boils down more the fact you make them feel more comforable to do biz with you than another. Less of course you have the low bid shopper in that case I send them to Bull.
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Beside the sales guy gets a cut of the overage also.
 
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WOW! I Will say this ,Over the years i have given and given!! Then the level of expectation grows!!! It must be human nature.I had one young fella who started out making 12 per hour w me,in four years I got him to twenty,added health ins,then a 401k w 3% match,bought him a gym membership,250.00$ a year arborwear allowance,Christmas bonus, company dinner,heck I even let the young man take my truck a couple time to help out some friends that were less fortunate.Now im sure this makes me sound wonderful.....!trust me I am not,I am a jerk!!
In the end we split over money that I had "promised" him.The truth is I wasn't able to continue to move him up the pay scale as rapidly as i wished because the economic climate was rapidly changing. The point is he developed a certain level of expectation that I actually created.It became difficult for me to out do myself!! Does this make sense at all?
The truth is owners and employees view things very, very differently!!
Cant we all just get along?
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Can I come work for you? That sounds like a pretty good gig to me!!
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It sounds to me that you "created" the problem because you wanted to be a good boss. You can't be faulted for that. The problem may simply have been with the employee thinking he was entitled to these things on a regular basis and not seeing them as a "bonus" that was given when you were financially able to do so. This could have been just a misunderstanding or it could've been a character issue. Some people don't expect anything extra, and are surprised and happy when they get a "bonus". On the other hand, there are those who think they are entitled to these things on a regular basis, and then are disappointed and disgruntled when they don't get it. Many employees don't see the other side of a business, the operation costs and the risks involved. I think many times, employees like you mention find that the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

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WOW! I Will say this ,Over the years i have given and given!! Then the level of expectation grows!!! It must be human nature.I had one young fella who started out making 12 per hour w me,in four years I got him to twenty,added health ins,then a 401k w 3% match,bought him a gym membership,250.00$ a year arborwear allowance,Christmas bonus, company dinner,heck I even let the young man take my truck a couple time to help out some friends that were less fortunate.Now im sure this makes me sound wonderful.....!trust me I am not,I am a jerk!!
In the end we split over money that I had "promised" him.The truth is I wasn't able to continue to move him up the pay scale as rapidly as i wished because the economic climate was rapidly changing. The point is he developed a certain level of expectation that I actually created.It became difficult for me to out do myself!! Does this make sense at all?
The truth is owners and employees view things very, very differently!!
Cant we all just get along?
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It sounds to me that you "created" the problem because you wanted to be a good boss. You can't be faulted for that. The problem may simply have been with the employee thinking he was entitled to these things on a regular basis and not seeing them as a "bonus" that was given when you were financially able to do so. This could have been just a misunderstanding or it could've been a character issue. Some people don't expect anything extra, and are surprised and happy when they get a "bonus". On the other hand, there are those who think they are entitled to these things on a regular basis, and then are disappointed and disgruntled when they don't get it. Many employees don't see the other side of a business, the operation costs and the risks involved. I think many times, employees like you mention find that the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

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nailed it on the head barnhouse, i couldnt agree with you more. excellent post

Paul. you didnt do anything wrong but be a good boss, the problem was with the employee not the employer. Id hate to see you change your ways just because of one incident. Owners and employees dont see things differently if a common goal is set
 
I needed to hear that !! Thanks!
I have changed somewhat unfortunately,But it is probably for the better! I feel as if I grew from the experience!The only choice I had was to continue making the same mistakes.I will always pay for my people to get trained up,I will always tell them when they have done well,I will give what I am able.
What i will not do is lack confidence that I have a good biz because of the hard work that i have done creating a business culture.And not let someone feel as if it "WERENT for ME you wouldn't be where you are." That is pure crap!! Does the owner need a great team?YES but not filled w people who think like that !! If they feel that way they do not fit our culture here!! I genuinely care for my folks!!!! And I expect them to feel the same about the company.The Company becomes a vehicle where by which we all achieve our goals.We Must synergize to make that happen.We MUST not be afraid to cut people loose who do not see it that way , or will not work toward that end.
In the past I was fearful to let people go!Now, the faster I let a bad employee go the closer i am to getting the right one in here!!
 
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