Poison Ivy 11.7

Stihl my heart

Stihl my heart

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Fort Collins
I run a the Yale PI 11.7mm rope in my day to day climbing, currently not using a mechanical friction hitch, I’m having trouble finding a hitch that will bite well without me having to constantly set the hitch with my weight, I’ve tried the following, schwabisch, distel, Michiocan, and VT. The VT seems to work the best over the course of a day but still slips and drops on me randomly. Open to all suggestions.


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I climbed PI for a long time on a 3/3 vt with a 28'' 8mm cord. with rope wrench and double rope. loved it.
 
Michoacan 6 wrap, one tuck up and out (up through the lowest wrap) with your favorite 9.5 or 10mm cord. It's a matter of tuning the cord length to get the performance you want. Shorter legs, quicker grab but the hitch can get a little too tight if you go too short. Longer legs and you get better overall performance but hitch starts to grab less consistently or not at all if too long. Find that sweet spot ;-)
-AJ
 
moss said:
Michoacan 6 wrap, one tuck up and out (up through the lowest wrap) with your favorite 9.5 or 10mm cord. It's a matter of tuning the cord length to get the performance you want. Shorter legs, quicker grab but the hitch can get a little too tight if you go too short. Longer legs and you get better overall performance but hitch starts to grab less consistently or not at all if too long. Find that sweet spot ;-)
-AJ
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I’ve throw on more wraps and it does grab really well but then after a while it’s soooo tight I can even descend. Searching for that sweet spot.


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Throw a hh2 on it. Easy adjustment of leg length, no need for eyes so much cheaper replacement of hitch cord, and seamless transition from mrt to srt. Also lots of hitches to choose from and experiment with if you like that sort of thing, or pick one of the well used and proven ones and run with it.
 
Stihl my heart said:
I’ve throw on more wraps and it does grab really well but then after a while it’s soooo tight I can even descend. Searching for that sweet spot.


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Yeah, I find it's not so much about which hitch, it's the length of the e2e, find the hitch/wrap combo that works for the hitch cord diameter and length.

For example at the beginning of this vid (a few years back), essentially a no name hitch, 5 wraps and a cross under, no tucks, worked great ascent, descent, always grabbed, 10mm Armor-Prus, 28" e2e. Make the hitch that works with what you've got.
-AJ
 
More wraps, but you face the same issues we all face. I find the HH easier on hitch knots than the RW is, but the better alternative for you may be a non hitch cord device, like the runner, uni or akimbo. Epicord 9.3mm is my hitch cord of choice too. I like it more than 8mm cordage, but you need to deal with cord length variations, when using different diameter hitch cords.
 
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I agree with RBJtree. The HH2 is the bomb for all those reasons. I use Sterling RIT 9mm for hitch cord on Blue Moon 11.7 & it works great.
I'm 170 lbs without gear & 5 or 6 wraps holds tight & is smooth as silk. .
Get a 7' cord so you can have two 42" pieces (one for a backup just in case).
I like the HH2 so much that when my Akimbo number finally came up I just cancelled the order. It's not as sexy but it's less than half the price....just like me!
It's not midline attachable but it only takes a minute to undo & retie, no big deal.
 
Rush said:
I agree with RBJtree. The HH2 is the bomb for all those reasons. I use Sterling RIT 9mm for hitch cord on Blue Moon 11.7 & it works great.
I'm 170 lbs without gear & 5 or 6 wraps holds tight & is smooth as silk. .
Get a 7' cord so you can have two 42" pieces (one for a backup just in case).
I like the HH2 so much that when my Akimbo number finally came up I just cancelled the order. It's not as sexy but it's less than half the price....just like me!
It's not midline attachable but it only takes a minute to undo & retie, no big deal.
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It IS midline attachable, it just takes a minute to untie and retie.
 
The issue I face is I work for one of the big companies and most of the mechanicals are not approved for Climbing, I will have to double check but I think the HH is approved and it seems like a good option. I have used the Akimbo, ZigZag and Bulldog in the past and they are ideal, but not an option as of right now.


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Stihl my heart said:
The issue I face is I work for one of the big companies and most of the mechanicals are not approved for Climbing, I will have to double check but I think the HH is approved and it seems like a good option. I have used the Akimbo, ZigZag and Bulldog in the past and they are ideal, but not an option as of right now.


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That sucks, I guess they don't like efficiency and consistency.
 
Stihl my heart said:
The issue I face is I work for one of the big companies and most of the mechanicals are not approved for Climbing, I will have to double check but I think the HH is approved and it seems like a good option. I have used the Akimbo, ZigZag and Bulldog in the past and they are ideal, but not an option as of right now.


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Big companies are like the ISA rules committee, unwilling to consider the advancements that have been made by innovative climbers that are tinkering around in their garages and come up with awesome ideas, work to scratch together the funding for continued engineering and testing, and then finally bring to the market a tool that is a complete game changer. Thank you Kevin, Paul, Jamie and all the others who with their innovation have kept this fat old turd climbing and climbing safer than i ever have in 44 years of it.
 
I am using PI now for any taller ascents and usually use my BDB. But I just tried the Sticth Hitch that Brocky was just talking about recently (I probably spelled it wrong!). I was using a 2 inch ring with it. It was working very well SRS and I weigh about 190 with gear. I will keep using my Bone for most climbing but the ring and hitch cord for the Sticht Hitch is lighter if I have to hike a long ways. Every ounce I can save in the backpack is desirable on a long hike!
 
I think you spelled it right, and it's pretty amazing, huh? Gotta admire those humble geniuses, I probably woulda named it after myself ;)
 
Burrapeg said:
I am using PI now for any taller ascents and usually use my BDB. But I just tried the Sticth Hitch that Brocky was just talking about recently (I probably spelled it wrong!). I was using a 2 inch ring with it. It was working very well SRS and I weigh about 190 with gear. I will keep using my Bone for most climbing but the ring and hitch cord for the Sticht Hitch is lighter if I have to hike a long ways. Every ounce I can save in the backpack is desirable on a long hike!
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It is spelled Sticht. You were close though.
 
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