Petzl Zillon for DdRT?
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treebing
Been here much more than a while
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- Detroit, Mi.
You wouldn't have that nice hitchclimber tending ability
TimberJack
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- Westchester County, NY
So this is what there doing with all the recycled zig-zag parts?
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- Austria, Europe
No way it'll be better for Ddrt than a Zigzag, so why do you think of that? It even will not be very much cheaper because you have to buy it with some rope in it...
The Zillion has 1 "Zig" part less in the grabbing part of the device as the ZZ, so it releases more easily. Which makes sense on a lanyard adjuster since it will not see full body load most of the times but on the other side unfortunately makes the device nearly unusable for use in "single-line-configuration" because you cannot really adjust it under full load. Petzl will not allow it for this use in the manual.
Personally thats something I would want from a mechanical lanyard adjuster, because thats the one thing where it can beat a friction hitch.
So there is no use for me for the Zillion, and I am quite a gear junkie normally
The top piece of the grabbing part on the Zillion is reversed btw. to reduce risk of unintentional activation by branches (I think it will still happen) and that may another disadvantage for climbing.
The Zillion has 1 "Zig" part less in the grabbing part of the device as the ZZ, so it releases more easily. Which makes sense on a lanyard adjuster since it will not see full body load most of the times but on the other side unfortunately makes the device nearly unusable for use in "single-line-configuration" because you cannot really adjust it under full load. Petzl will not allow it for this use in the manual.
Personally thats something I would want from a mechanical lanyard adjuster, because thats the one thing where it can beat a friction hitch.
So there is no use for me for the Zillion, and I am quite a gear junkie normally
The top piece of the grabbing part on the Zillion is reversed btw. to reduce risk of unintentional activation by branches (I think it will still happen) and that may another disadvantage for climbing.
jmcscrap
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- Woodbury, MN
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So this is what there doing with all the recycled zig-zag parts?
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That was my first thought too!
So this is what there doing with all the recycled zig-zag parts?
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That was my first thought too!
TC
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to me the zig zag looks bulky with too many parts, the zillon looks like a simpler idea and solution to mimicking a hitch.
I'm aware it probably wont self tend.
I'm aware it probably wont self tend.
TC
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you cannot really adjust it under full load
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have you tried it like that? hanging from it with the 2 ends of the system attached at the front bridge/D of your harness?
you cannot really adjust it under full load
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have you tried it like that? hanging from it with the 2 ends of the system attached at the front bridge/D of your harness?
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- Austria, Europe
No, but in the lower D rings. Its ok, my comment was about the use in "single-leg-modus".
I still see no real advantage to the ZZ for climbing.
Have you seen the ZZ yet? Bulkiness is not an issue of this device, more the opposite...
I still see no real advantage to the ZZ for climbing.
Have you seen the ZZ yet? Bulkiness is not an issue of this device, more the opposite...
TC
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No, but in the lower D rings. Its ok, my comment was about the use in "single-leg-modus".
I still see no real advantage to the ZZ for climbing.
Have you seen the ZZ yet? Bulkiness is not an issue of this device, more the opposite...
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my climbing system on DdRT is very basic, a 5 turn swabisch with 10mm Ocean Polyester and a Fixe micro pulley + 2 Petzl William Ball Lock biners. I like it like that, it's 100% bombproof. Been using it for well over 10 years.
The main part of our work is medium to big removals in poor weather, ivy covered trees, sappy trees, basically work I feel is unsuited to the Petzl zigzag. I would never buy or use a zig zag. I do appreciate that it is a clever idea though.
Re Zillon, I just liked the simplicity of how the zillon operates and the fact it only has one attachment point, Could it be applied to a DdRT system much like a hitch operates? probably not for various reasons. To me on first viewing....it looked like a preferable option to the ZZ for the rare occasions we do pruning work, but the possible non self tending aspect probably rules that out, amongst other reasons.
The zillon as an idea? it looks more like what I would've expected the zig zag to turn out like if someone said 'I'm going to design a mechanical hitch based on a rope hitch using interlocking metal cams'
As you say, it sounds like the zillon may need some refinement even as a lanyard adjuster let alone being used in a closed loop DdRT system.
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No, but in the lower D rings. Its ok, my comment was about the use in "single-leg-modus".
I still see no real advantage to the ZZ for climbing.
Have you seen the ZZ yet? Bulkiness is not an issue of this device, more the opposite...
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my climbing system on DdRT is very basic, a 5 turn swabisch with 10mm Ocean Polyester and a Fixe micro pulley + 2 Petzl William Ball Lock biners. I like it like that, it's 100% bombproof. Been using it for well over 10 years.
The main part of our work is medium to big removals in poor weather, ivy covered trees, sappy trees, basically work I feel is unsuited to the Petzl zigzag. I would never buy or use a zig zag. I do appreciate that it is a clever idea though.
Re Zillon, I just liked the simplicity of how the zillon operates and the fact it only has one attachment point, Could it be applied to a DdRT system much like a hitch operates? probably not for various reasons. To me on first viewing....it looked like a preferable option to the ZZ for the rare occasions we do pruning work, but the possible non self tending aspect probably rules that out, amongst other reasons.
The zillon as an idea? it looks more like what I would've expected the zig zag to turn out like if someone said 'I'm going to design a mechanical hitch based on a rope hitch using interlocking metal cams'
As you say, it sounds like the zillon may need some refinement even as a lanyard adjuster let alone being used in a closed loop DdRT system.
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TC
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apparently it'll be available with an 18ft lanyard as well as 2 shorter versions.
Surely then, given an 18ft lanyard option, it's reasonable to assume Petzl will have designed the zillon not only to be used in the typical lanyard style D to D but also as a mini DdRT setup? that 18ft gives you a good 8ft of up and down if you clipped both ends into your front attachment pojnt.
Either that or they assume climbers will be using it D to D on huge diameter trees.
Surely then, given an 18ft lanyard option, it's reasonable to assume Petzl will have designed the zillon not only to be used in the typical lanyard style D to D but also as a mini DdRT setup? that 18ft gives you a good 8ft of up and down if you clipped both ends into your front attachment pojnt.
Either that or they assume climbers will be using it D to D on huge diameter trees.
