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- St.Louis Mo/Florida
Im on vacation in FL and have alot of people wanting me to work on their palms but not to familliar with their structure and characterhistics, any advice?
palms?
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rfwoodvt
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- This side of eternity.
Where 'bouts you visiting?
When you say "work" what are you referring to?
General rule of thumb is if it is brown or broken prune it off.
Palms don't grow in diameter like trees so don't be cutting into the trunk.
As for the boots from the purned fronds some leave them till they are loose and then remove them while others carefully cut them off.
Whatever you do, don't give it a Hurricane Cut. If it is green and healthy leave it on. It takes a long while for a new frond to develope and it must originate from the bud at the top.
Contact the University of Florida Extension Agency near where you are visiting...they have great stuff on palms.
When you say "work" what are you referring to?
General rule of thumb is if it is brown or broken prune it off.
Palms don't grow in diameter like trees so don't be cutting into the trunk.
As for the boots from the purned fronds some leave them till they are loose and then remove them while others carefully cut them off.
Whatever you do, don't give it a Hurricane Cut. If it is green and healthy leave it on. It takes a long while for a new frond to develope and it must originate from the bud at the top.
Contact the University of Florida Extension Agency near where you are visiting...they have great stuff on palms.
STLTreeclmbr,
Palm pruning techniques can vary from species to species, and maybe even from one part of the world to another. For instance, in Hawaii it is considered acceptable to spike coconut palms, while it is considered very poor form to spike certain other palm species. How much of the frond boot to leave on may vary as well. Look at other palms in the area to determine the local pruning techniques.
As for how much to prune, this should be fairly universal (although I know it's not). Imagine the crown of the palm as a clock face. On most palms it is best to prune the fronds so that the petioles are no higher than the 9 and 3 of the clock face. 10 and 2 is the absolute highest you should go. It's also standard to remove any flowers or fruit that may be in the crown.
I know that lethal yellowing is a concern in Florida so you should definitely check to see what the recommendations are to avoid spreading this disease from one palm to another.
Have fun!
Palm pruning techniques can vary from species to species, and maybe even from one part of the world to another. For instance, in Hawaii it is considered acceptable to spike coconut palms, while it is considered very poor form to spike certain other palm species. How much of the frond boot to leave on may vary as well. Look at other palms in the area to determine the local pruning techniques.
As for how much to prune, this should be fairly universal (although I know it's not). Imagine the crown of the palm as a clock face. On most palms it is best to prune the fronds so that the petioles are no higher than the 9 and 3 of the clock face. 10 and 2 is the absolute highest you should go. It's also standard to remove any flowers or fruit that may be in the crown.
I know that lethal yellowing is a concern in Florida so you should definitely check to see what the recommendations are to avoid spreading this disease from one palm to another.
Have fun!
Gerald_Beranek
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- Ft. Bragg, Ca.
Here in northern California, along the coast, the Pheonix Canarianis is the most common palm. When left unkept they become host to a wide variety of plants and animals here. Which can present any climber some of the most disgustingly filthy work they may ever have to do aloft. And besides that, the basal spines are to be carefully avoided. The bite of the Arucaria is a mere scratch compared to being impaled by the Canarianis spine.
Jerry B
Jerry B
Gigi, so far lethal yellowing has not made it to Hawaii. What kind of precautions do you folks in Florida have to follow to prevent spreading it?
Jerry, those phoenix palms are real beasts. Pruning a long neglected one is like climbing into a vermin infested dumpster and rolling around in poisoned needles. No fun at all! /forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Jerry, those phoenix palms are real beasts. Pruning a long neglected one is like climbing into a vermin infested dumpster and rolling around in poisoned needles. No fun at all! /forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
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Pruning a long neglected one is like climbing into a vermin infested dumpster and rolling around in poisoned needles.
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Sounds like a fun challenge for fear factor- I'm in.
Pruning a long neglected one is like climbing into a vermin infested dumpster and rolling around in poisoned needles.
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Sounds like a fun challenge for fear factor- I'm in.
rfwoodvt
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- This side of eternity.
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Here in northern California, along the coast, the Pheonix Canarianis is the most common palm. When left unkept they become host to a wide variety of plants and animals here. Which can present any climber some of the most disgustingly filthy work they may ever have to do aloft. And besides that, the basal spines are to be carefully avoided. The bite of the Arucaria is a mere scratch compared to being impaled by the Canarianis spine.
Jerry B
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AMEN TO THAT JERRY!
I've seen virtual ecosystems growing in those "Pineapple Plams"
There is one in Englewood, FL that had sucumbed to frond grubs and the composted material in the "Boots" supports ferns and other plants. The collapsed fronds host numerous birds and reptiles.
Pretty to look at but no-way I wanna tackle that beast...snakes, lizards, scorpions, spiders, decay. Nope, not a fun one at all.
Here in northern California, along the coast, the Pheonix Canarianis is the most common palm. When left unkept they become host to a wide variety of plants and animals here. Which can present any climber some of the most disgustingly filthy work they may ever have to do aloft. And besides that, the basal spines are to be carefully avoided. The bite of the Arucaria is a mere scratch compared to being impaled by the Canarianis spine.
Jerry B
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AMEN TO THAT JERRY!
I've seen virtual ecosystems growing in those "Pineapple Plams"
There is one in Englewood, FL that had sucumbed to frond grubs and the composted material in the "Boots" supports ferns and other plants. The collapsed fronds host numerous birds and reptiles.
Pretty to look at but no-way I wanna tackle that beast...snakes, lizards, scorpions, spiders, decay. Nope, not a fun one at all.
rfwoodvt
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- This side of eternity.
Attached is a PDF of the USFL Extension Service Handout for palms...hope it helps!
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Gigi, so far lethal yellowing has not made it to Hawaii. What kind of precautions do you folks in Florida have to follow to prevent spreading it?
Jerry, those phoenix palms are real beasts. Pruning a long neglected one is like climbing into a vermin infested dumpster and rolling around in poisoned needles. No fun at all! /forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
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HAHAHA, the joys of trimming palms! What a great thread.
Leon, for a precautionary measure, we inject the Coco Nucifera with Oxytetracyline Hydrochloride. It comes in a powder form that we mix with distilled water and inject the palm 4 times a year. It is not 100% effective, but does show good results. It is a fairly lucritive portion of our business.
rfwoodvt, Englewood is a pretty part of Florida. The water is beautiful over there.
jf1962, great shot of the Washingtonia Robusta. Some folks like to keep the skirt on those. Ekka would refer to those palms as sheet sticks!!
Gigi, so far lethal yellowing has not made it to Hawaii. What kind of precautions do you folks in Florida have to follow to prevent spreading it?
Jerry, those phoenix palms are real beasts. Pruning a long neglected one is like climbing into a vermin infested dumpster and rolling around in poisoned needles. No fun at all! /forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
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HAHAHA, the joys of trimming palms! What a great thread.
Leon, for a precautionary measure, we inject the Coco Nucifera with Oxytetracyline Hydrochloride. It comes in a powder form that we mix with distilled water and inject the palm 4 times a year. It is not 100% effective, but does show good results. It is a fairly lucritive portion of our business.
rfwoodvt, Englewood is a pretty part of Florida. The water is beautiful over there.
jf1962, great shot of the Washingtonia Robusta. Some folks like to keep the skirt on those. Ekka would refer to those palms as sheet sticks!!
Oh, how did I miss this thread.
Telegraph poles with shit on top AKA shit sticks.
First of all you need to use glyphosate360 instead of bar oil, then you need to sterilize your spurs with glyphosate 360 prior to going up the tree. And finally you need to paint the wounds on these with glyphosate360 immediately after the cut ... carry a spray pack of the stuff.
With a bit of luck you'll be back in a few weeks to prune it at ground level. /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I cut down and clean thousands of those crappy things. Every time I cut one down I feel I've done the place a favour.
And dont forget to clean your saw coz it will corrode quick, just eats the alloy away!
Telegraph poles with shit on top AKA shit sticks.
First of all you need to use glyphosate360 instead of bar oil, then you need to sterilize your spurs with glyphosate 360 prior to going up the tree. And finally you need to paint the wounds on these with glyphosate360 immediately after the cut ... carry a spray pack of the stuff.
With a bit of luck you'll be back in a few weeks to prune it at ground level. /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I cut down and clean thousands of those crappy things. Every time I cut one down I feel I've done the place a favour.
And dont forget to clean your saw coz it will corrode quick, just eats the alloy away!
- Location
- St.Louis Mo/Florida
I'd like to thank you all for you're imput, very interesting! I've got about 10 palms to do in the am, guess we will see how it goes....ill let ya know
- Location
- St.Louis Mo/Florida
If it quits raining /forum/images/graemlins/drowninga.gif /forum/images/graemlins/drowninga.gif
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- St.Louis Mo/Florida
Everything went great....thanx all
TheTreeSpyder
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- Florida>>> USA
Down here i look for stuff with
Broschat involved as Rick showed for palms top source. Broschat is with Gilman at UofF.
These links are good too i think:
Palm World
Palm Care
Palm Diseases
Ganoderma Butt rot in So. Florida Palms Unlike The Ganoderma strain in Oaks etc.; the Ganoderma in Palms does spread infecting other palms. Can't even plant a new palm in previously infected hole. Death sentance once it infects palm; tearing thru Florida.
Leaf Spot Guide If frond takes longer than 3-4 days to turn brown or has spotting; it could be disease, bugs etc. or nutritional deficiency. If nutritional deficiency and you take that browned frond; plant will just transliocate resources from another frond...
Broschat involved as Rick showed for palms top source. Broschat is with Gilman at UofF.
These links are good too i think:
Palm World
Palm Care
Palm Diseases
Ganoderma Butt rot in So. Florida Palms Unlike The Ganoderma strain in Oaks etc.; the Ganoderma in Palms does spread infecting other palms. Can't even plant a new palm in previously infected hole. Death sentance once it infects palm; tearing thru Florida.
Leaf Spot Guide If frond takes longer than 3-4 days to turn brown or has spotting; it could be disease, bugs etc. or nutritional deficiency. If nutritional deficiency and you take that browned frond; plant will just transliocate resources from another frond...
- Location
- St.Louis Mo/Florida
Yeah, thanks spidie! those links will come in handy, I want to do it the right way!
- Location
- Fort Lauderdale, FL
Something to think about, the best thing about palms are that they need to be pruned every 8 to 10 months, easy money! just like cutting grass with a chainsaw.
Hate it though when they are let go, not too worried about the criters and crud, its the hornets that nest in there that gets me. You never see em untill your up in the head and its too late.
Great advise, 9 & 3 O'clock, clean the heads.
Hate it though when they are let go, not too worried about the criters and crud, its the hornets that nest in there that gets me. You never see em untill your up in the head and its too late.
Great advise, 9 & 3 O'clock, clean the heads.
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