Old school /new......

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Humper is this a size matters question?!

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Size only matters if you don't know how to use the tool....

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I started in 1958 Everything was very different then. We climbed with sisal and manila rope. Sadles varied from linemanbelts with leather skinning lines. rope sadles too leather sadles or bosun seats. We shimmied or climbed the rope hand over hand. Some companys wouldnt let you hook large trees,most would. Rigging was done with natural crotches sometimes with large wooden blocks. Tree biology and physiology were little known. L[ve trees we trimmed, dead tres we removed.The treemen before Icame along were old school then. After them came the next old school that they called arborculture. About 1980 I saw a change in the tree business that seemed like a big improvment,moe new technology, synthetic ropes,seminars about tree health and maintenance. Now with all the new climbing gear and knowledge of what is best for the trees. I am proud op being a part of such a great industry. loved the old scool intriged w[th the new school. Keep the new stuff coming. Jack






















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Blending yesterday's knowledge with today's technology. The mind should always be like a parachute it really only works when it is open.

Mechanization in the industry pretty much started after World War 2.

The revolution in the industry began with the Jamboree and has continued to evolve ever since.

Education by association.
 
Hey sohner i love that parachute thingy!! So true,!!
Hey Jim I couldn't agree more !! I worked In Balacynwyd Pa for about a year For Bartlett I think around '89, We had a guy in the office who was "retired" I think he was a little over 80.When he started they didn't even have saws!!!? You should have seen the "guns" on the old dude!!!! Forearms like Popeye. The stories and perspective were awesome!!
Nothin' but respect. I guess old or new ........it's somewhat relative?
THANKS JACK!!! stick around a while!!
 
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spiking and squirrels and monkey etc. , there is a big differnce with the climbing . That really started to change , I remember a thread in the old ISA forum where it was titled "sh*ttail climbing. Or back in 93 at ITCC Ken Palmer had this special tie in device a part of a parachute strap with two rings on each side ( got it in Europe. The Gibbs ascender for the safety line , Bob Weber had a New England line spliced by Danice that was external and was the scariest looking eye splice I ever saw. So I'm sticking with 93 as the year . Though secured footlocking was probally 89 -90 .

Jeff Beck and Jimmie Page got to be on that guitar list.

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I'd say 93 Riggs.

Ken Palmer was standing next to me when we saw Francoise Dussiene's twin ring false crotch, at the first ETCC in May '93 in Lahnstein, Germany, which I participated in. The USA contingent took back alot of Euro ideas (which you saw later that year in the ITCC), and we took some great USA ideas. So that, to me, was the catalyst for a worldwide surge in 'new school' development. Don Blair was there also with the Hobbs LD and rigging concepts. Still some German resistance to Shigo's CODIT concept at that time there too! : )

There were around 60 competitors, and it was a melting pot of international ideas - the two Kens from USA with the secured footlock and throwlines, the French with their split doubled Rope, with the 'Friction Saver' and the Brits with their 'split tail' type prusik system.

Individually, these ideas had been around for a good while, but that was the date it all got worldwide exposure that formed a catalyst for rapid development and commercialisation of techniques and equipment.

Just one experience of significant change.
 
Thanks guys for welcoming me. I love the buzz, I read all the threads. I dont participate too much because by the time I type something you guys got 4 cottonwoods on their way to the dump and 6 oaks trimmed. If it dont have a pull cord I have a hard time getting it started. The information on the modern arborculture on the buzz is awesome. I still like to climb its a desease but thiers no greater feeling then to set in your sadle and laugh at the wind. Its nice to remember the old days but fantastic to be a part of the new days and look forward to the future of arborculture. This is a tough way to make a living but its honest and healthy. If you dont love it there are a lot easyer ways to make a living. I also think like Lazarus2 that the jamborys had a lot to do with getting the interest of treeworkers and climbers. The ISA and thr TCIA have also contributed to the gathering of information for men in the field. A lots of fine men have contributed to the advancement of arborculture in the past and now and most likely in the future. I have to go now cause im going out tommorow to get my fix of sawdust. jack
 
"We had a guy in the office who was "retired" I think he was a little over 80.When he started they didn't even have saws!!!? You should have seen the "guns" on the old dude!!!! Forearms like Popeye"

George Walls , told you like it was , Julio , Bob , Willie they were fun days .


I went through the whole rock climbing / Euro explosion in the 90's and found a new balance. I have half as much climbing gear as I had in the 90's but more than in the 80's but I have twice as much rigging gear than I've ever had in the 80/90's combined . My attitude is 100% old school but I'm probally 50/50 with the rest .
 
i'd say it depends on the person. I'd say Shigo is new school, and he published his New Tree Biology in 1970, and the earlyest date on here is about 1990.
 
I think that illustrates that there's a difference between old/new school and no school. Just because a technique is old that doesn't make it obsolete and just because a technique or material is new that doesn't make it efficient. I really liked what someone back there said about it taking time to realize how much you really have to learn in this endeavor. Once you get a handle on the basics, the details continue to perplex and challenge. It's nice to have a hunger for all the info. It really makes me thankful for the knowledge. Details, details, details...
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