Numb Arms

Hello dere

I have trouble sleeping (sort of) because I wake up once or twice a night, on average, with burning pins and needles in by forearms. If I'm sharing the bed with my girl, I usually get out of bed and walk around a bit or have a shower until the feeling passes. Some days the numbness lasts all day and, if I hold a phone to my ear or something, my arm goes numb again. Even as I type this, I can feel my arms tingling.

I'm guessing these are symptoms of Vibration White Finger, Hand Arm Vibration Syndrome, or whatever it's known as, but I've only done this kind of work for 2 1/2 years. Surely it shouldn't effect me this soon
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Any comments, advice, reassurance would be appreciated

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Well if that's you in the picture, it looks like you've got more problems that need checked out rather than your arms going numb. Just a thought. I'd get that checked out though I just got a cortizone shot in mine and I'm only 22 and may have to have rotator cuff surgery. Never got the numbness though.
 
I suffer the same affliction. I can hardly drive more then five miles before my arms are numb. I have to shake one and steer with the other. I did not have the problem before I started to spend all day looking up with a hard hat on. I think it is tied into my neck and shoulders.
 
You may have a nerve problem... When I started climbing trees after several years of fairly sedentary work I had the exact same symptoms... the numbness was accompanied by some pretty intolerable pain in my forearm and upper arm... usually only at night. I was told informally by a physician that it could be pinched nerves in my back.

I was also told by a physical therapist that it was nerves being pinched in my elbows and shoulders because of swelling caused by inflammation and that deep massage could make a difference. I don't know anything about massage but I massaged my arms around my elbows whenever I had the numbness and more often than not, it would stop suddenly... then, if I moved my arm the wrong way it would come right back.

I've been taking ibuprofen on a regimen to keep inflammation under control... I'm certain that helps some because if I stop the pain gets pretty bad after a few days.

Then while house sitting I got access to a really good hot shower with a big hot water tank (mine was pretty weak) and for about a week I took two long showers a day mostly just running really hot water on my elbows and shoulders... it was almost as good as sex... almost.

Another thing that definitely helped was changing how I entered trees... I was footlocking or ascending on DRT with ascenders. Now I go in on SRT or, if I'm working with Guy, on a 32' ladder... that leaves me a lot more reserve to climb on before things start getting inflamed.

I don't know what ultimately made the difference but the numbness has pretty much been gone now for 3 or 4 months. My elbows still hurt all the time, I'm 47 so it's expected but no more of that wake up at 1:00AM, 3:00AM and 4:30AM crap.

Hope something in that will help, good luck.
 
Sounds like a case of Taffyitis to me - Gogs are not so susceptible due to the typical increase in strength of living and working in mountainous terrain
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Seriously, this is often mis diagnosed as HAVS. Obviously, we can't say for sure, and Dee isn't around to grill about it, but we have come across this before (including myself temporarily).

If its what I think it is, you have pressure on the major nerve line running down the shoulders to the fingers. This is probbaly caused by typical Arborist poor posture; hyper extended upper spine, pinching the nerve. This is caused by inefficient, repetitive pulling actions without correction (how many times do you push your bodyweight everyday? Hardly at all is my guess).

I corrected my posture problems over 3 years by Dee's careful attention to my programme, and having me lie on styrofoam tubes in specific ways. This together with specific regular exercise (based on pilates, not running round in circles)reset my spinal components including head, neck, shoulders, the 4 curves of the spine, the pelvic tilt, the tight hamstrings right down to the tight arches in my feet. I keep this in check by watching my posture, and feeling when I'm reverting (like now typing this).

The good news is, you guys are young enough to correct now without degeneration. If you're not young, dumb and full of something sticky, ;-) you'll take good advice and training on keeping a correct posture, and using ergonomic and energy efficient climbing techniques in your daily work. Its not just big trees that need to be climbed with bio-mechanical efficiency, its lots of little ones too! If the boss thinks you're being a big girls blouse, work for someone more interested in regular care & maintenance of their human resources.

Good luck. Dee has another arborist on her books who has been in perpetual rehab with a physio. They just don't understand the job (or care) and don't treat the whole muscular skeletal system. Its like looking at crown dieback, without thinking about the roots and recent site development over the fence!

My advice apart from improved work technique and finding a good remedial personal trainer - build up to 20 or 30 perfect push ups a night. With proper square shoulders, level back (no arse in the air or sagging back!) and slow dsecent to 90 degree arm bend then steady back up without locking the elbows (breathe in down, out up). Don't be surprised if you struggle to do 5 - its the technique not the number that is important. Have some task master watch yo to make sure you're square and not slacking. Don't forget the head is attached to the spine, and so that should be in a line with your spine too (look down without dipping your forehead).

In fact, if you concentrate on getting it right, I'd be surprised if many arbs could do two.

I hope it helps. I know how serious this could be if you continue for another 10 yrs without getting to the bottom of it.
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good advice lazarus...I only have two things to add. Sports massage works, but make sure they are reputable and you may have to hunt for a good masseuse.
second. flexibility is key to any hard labor and I see so few guys stretch before climbing...
good luck!
 
Welcome to the fray zaphod!

I agree. Stretching should be part of daily maintenance (particularly after the first 30 mins of work when you've warmed up a bit and get a deeper tissue stretch).

Massage....is always good!
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The best advice...marry a fitness professional!

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I have trouble sleeping (sort of) because I wake up once or twice a night, on average, with burning pins and needles in by forearms....and, if I hold a phone to my ear or something, my arm goes numb again.

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Try keeping your arms relatively straight at night. Don't bend your elbows as if you're talking on the phone. Numbness is especially bad at night if your elbows are bent AND your jammy sleeves have risen to your elbow.
 
Thanks a lot, guys. It's gone, now, wierdly. Only the odd tingle, so I guess it might well have been a pinched nerve or something.

Weird thing is, I think it went when I felled an 18in (edit: diameter, not high
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) Eucalyptus and the tree rolled. The butt knocked me off my feet, but my helmet and upper arm took the blow.

Of course, I followed the good advice I had about stretching and massage and things, too. I agree that it is vital that we look at symptoms when they appear, not when they're so developed that the damage is done.

I asked the doctor about a pain I was getting in my hip and he pretty much shouted me out of his office cause I was a 'fit young boy' and I was being a hypochondriac. Bear in mind, I hate visiting the doctor and go there about once every two years on average.

Maybe if they spend more time encouraging young people to be mindful and look after themselves, there wouldn't be so many 40/50 somethings people suffering from/claiming incapacity benefits for muscular/skeletal disorders.

It's a case of closing the gate after the horse has bolted, I think.
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I asked the doctor about a pain I was getting in my hip and he pretty much shouted me out of his office cause I was a 'fit young boy' and I was being a hypochondriac. Bear in mind, I hate visiting the doctor and go there about once every two years on average.

Maybe if they spend more time encouraging young people to be mindful and look after themselves, there wouldn't be so many 40/50 somethings people suffering from/claiming incapacity benefits for muscular/skeletal disorders.

It's a case of closing the gate after the horse has bolted, I think.

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Bang on the button!

This is what happens when you hand over the NHS to accountants motivated by targets.

Dee regularly comes across very poor standards of care from medical and health professionals. If you only train monkeys to jump through hoops head on, don't be surprised to see utter confusion when you place the hoops side by side.

Its often easier for them to dismiss a challenge.
 
You might consider looking at http://egoscue.com/htdocs/painfree/freemenus.asp

Most of us go through life emphasizing a particular set of muscles and encountering a particular set of stresses that pull and stretch us out of shape. Egoscue evaluates the asymmetries built up and offers a set of exercises to help rebalance them. (Oh no, I sound like an infomercial.)

Even without their particular set of exercises, just looking for imbalances and trying to correct them should help. And, yes, this simple way of looking at it is something many of the doctors have trouble with.

One test that can be done is to look at people at the mall (ahem, you may have to go towards London to find one - I'm not sure what it's like in Swansea). The tendency is for the right shoulder to drop lower (because most of us are right handed). This is caused by the pelvis tilting, which causes the upper spine to compensate, which causes the shoulder to drop.
 

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