Notch Sentinel, Advice Needed

Lower Ds are what makes the new sequoia and a TM the kings of harnesses.
I got the new sequoia SRT. I miss my TM. The lower Ds are great... but the adjustments are stupid. Little bungee crap everywhere that I have to remember to tuck in or it gets caught and wedged everywhere. I also haven't quite gotten it dialed in yet. I gotta get a shorter bridge, this thing is made for people who are 6'6". I don't know if petzl will allow for a stopper knot in the bridge.
 
I got the new sequoia SRT. I miss my TM. The lower Ds are great... but the adjustments are stupid. Little bungee crap everywhere that I have to remember to tuck in or it gets caught and wedged everywhere. I also haven't quite gotten it dialed in yet. I gotta get a shorter bridge, this thing is made for people who are 6'6". I don't know if petzl will allow for a stopper knot in the bridge.
My son who is 8 has a size 0. I use globe with stopper knots. Double overhand. Double bridge. Needed it way shorter than stock.
 
I wounld up returning the Sentinel for a TreeMotion 2018. TreeStuff matched Sherrill's price at $450, which made it just a little more than the s. lite. Thanks @swingdude for the tip!

I figure I'm not at the limit of the harness, I hear nothing but good about it, it has everything I want and it really appeals to my need to tinker with stuff. If only it was neon green... Kidding.

I'm super stoked about it.

I just want to say again, thank you so much to everyone that chimed in with their experience.
 
I wounld up returning the Sentinel for a TreeMotion 2018. TreeStuff matched Sherrill's price at $450, which made it just a little more than the s. lite. Thanks @swingdude for the tip!

I figure I'm not at the limit of the harness, I hear nothing but good about it, it has everything I want and it really appeals to my need to tinker with stuff. If only it was neon green... Kidding.

I'm super stoked about it.

I just want to say again, thank you so much to everyone that chimed in with their experience.
Solid decision. The TreeMo has been and continues to be what is probably the best all around harness in the biz. Take the time to learn how the properly set it up and it will reward you with a world class ride.
 
The Treemotion and sequoia are definitely the nicest saddles for sale right now– I prefer the Sequoia myself. The step-through legs of a s.light are a deal breaker for me, personally.

RE: the Sentinal, try a size 2 and return the one you don't want, or both. RE: excess leg loop straps, Those can be cut and hand stitched back over if you want. Just don't cut them ridiculously short, remember you might be wearing that saddle with Carhartts one day.

If your looking for something less expensive, you might consider a Sentry too. Very basic, but made with modern technique and material. Both have a but strap vs leg loops but offer the d rings and other things a rock climbing harness def doesn't.

All the Notch saddles are made by Edelrid and they make the rigging plates on them as well.
 
WOW guys. Got the TreeMotion last night, and I just have to say - WOW. Now this is the night and day difference I was expecting when compared to the rock harness.

I did end up trying to fuss with the Sentinel again, and even pushing the waist belt down around my hips - It just wasn't comfortable for me... but again, I could see how at least part of that might be due to me being at the absolute max of the size range.

As for the TM, I tried adjusting it a few different ways according to videos and write-ups I found, and I think it's close... I'm sure I'll have to keep tweaking it as I break it in and get used to it - but wow - I can see what the fuss is about. I stayed up WAY too late last night hanging in my basement, tweaking, then reading up on all the ways people have customized it. Honestly - I thought there'd be more trick stuff out there - it seemed like a lot of it was the same kind of thing... Gear loops, Gear 'biners, suspenders... but at the same time, I can't really think of anything else I would do either so... makes sense.

I want to play around with it a little more first, but hopefully I'll be able to take it for a ride this weekend!
 
WOW guys. Got the TreeMotion last night, and I just have to say - WOW. Now this is the night and day difference I was expecting when compared to the rock harness.

I did end up trying to fuss with the Sentinel again, and even pushing the waist belt down around my hips - It just wasn't comfortable for me... but again, I could see how at least part of that might be due to me being at the absolute max of the size range.

As for the TM, I tried adjusting it a few different ways according to videos and write-ups I found, and I think it's close... I'm sure I'll have to keep tweaking it as I break it in and get used to it - but wow - I can see what the fuss is about. I stayed up WAY too late last night hanging in my basement, tweaking, then reading up on all the ways people have customized it. Honestly - I thought there'd be more trick stuff out there - it seemed like a lot of it was the same kind of thing... Gear loops, Gear 'biners, suspenders... but at the same time, I can't really think of anything else I would do either so... makes sense.

I want to play around with it a little more first, but hopefully I'll be able to take it for a ride this weekend!
I replaced the bungees on the back with solid cord once I found the right length. Bungee lash was the only problem I ever had with it, and I wanted to have problems with the TM so bad. It's the standard because it really is great.
 
Good for you man, it really is an amazing saddle and can probably be adjusted to near perfect fit on virtually any body type, male or female.

Running a lanyard from those forward or lower Ds for the first time had me amazed. The adjustability and insane options for stowing gear and is great, but those lower Ds were what really sold me on it.

Slips a little bit when I have a bigger saw hanging from it, so I put suspenders on it pre-climb if I know I’ll be calling for a bigger saw later.

Wish there was a way to snug the waist up some while wearing it, but that can probably be said of every other saddle as well.
 
Good for you man, it really is an amazing saddle and can probably be adjusted to near perfect fit on virtually any body type, male or female.

Running a lanyard from those forward or lower Ds for the first time had me amazed. The adjustability and insane options for stowing gear and is great, but those lower Ds were what really sold me on it.

Slips a little bit when I have a bigger saw hanging from it, so I put suspenders on it pre-climb if I know I’ll be calling for a bigger saw later.

Wish there was a way to snug the waist up some while wearing it, but that can probably be said of every other saddle as well.
Sequoia and the S.light both cinch tighter easily.
 
No kidding? I don’t suppose there’s any kind of manufacturer ID on those buckles or if someone knows a source to get them from?
That’s pretty awesome, thanks for letting me know that!
 
No kidding? I don’t suppose there’s any kind of manufacturer ID on those buckles or if someone knows a source to get them from?
That’s pretty awesome, thanks for letting me know that!
I dunno.
It's a slide buckle, so you have to step through the waist. The S.light was much easier to use and cinch, but the sequoia still lets me pull them tighter once I put my weight into my side Ds.
 
Hello Buzzards! I'm a long time listener, first time caller~

I'll save the long winded introduction and back-story for another time - this post will probably be long winded enough without it.

So briefly, I'm Dumpy, and welcome to my dumpster fire. I'm an engineer by trade, rec climber for fun, and hack-job "tree guy" when I want to scare my wife. Just kidding, put down your pitch forks - I do a little clean-up around the house, and that's about it. I'm less of a cowboy and more of a study the heck out of the subject before doing anything, then try to do everything one step at a time in as controlled an environment as possible (see engineer).

So that brings me to the matter at hand: I've purchased a Notch Sentinel harness to finally replace the rock harness I've been using. With that said, I think it probably needs to go back - but since this is my first harness, I wanted some advice: Is this operator error, and some adjustment would go a long way? Or does this harness just not fit me? Please see attached images:

I had seen several reviews where people complained that the leg loops were too big. I'd also read some reviews where people who were on the limit (size 1 ends at 36, size 2 starts at 36) had issues with it. I'm around a 36 - but this might just work for me - right? I purchased a size 1 because I wasn't sure if that size 36 corresponded to pants size or if you wear a 36 pants, this would fit on top of all that. Hint: it's closer to pants size. I also noted the reviews about the huge leg loops and was afraid that if I got a size 2, i'd be drowning in the rest (or I wouldn't be able to tighten the harness enough).

So... if you look at the photo where i'm holding the strap. That's the excess strap for the leg loop. It's hard to see, but if I had my arm bent more, my elbow would touch the strap an inch or two away from the buckle. I've only got about 2 inches left in the adjustment.... and I'm on the max end of the size scale for this harness. And my thighs are not small.

If you can see in that picture that I have about an inch of webbing pulled on the waist belt. That buckle is a b*tch. Seriously. Because you have to hold the parts away from you push them through at an angle, then it loosens when it latches - and it's a bear to tighten once it's latched. But probably not such a big deal if the strap was long enough to grab onto (again, I'm at the MAX of this size).

So I got the thing on, it's generally adjusted close to where I'd have my climbing harness... here's where I need some help.

1) Is the waist belt seem to be positioned right? I feel like it'd be more comfortable if I could get it over my pants belt and shove it a little lower around my hips, but of course there's nothing to keep it from sliding up (besides the fat bunching up above it).
2) leg loops seem about right? This is the most comfortable I could get them - but the elastic between the legs and waist belt was maxed out and pulling them into my junk every chance they got.
3) I wonder if being at the max size means the waist belt isn't wrapping around far enough to the front. So when I hang on it, instead of pulling more to the front, it's really crushing that front section of the harness into me. I don't have a huge gut, i'm pretty uniformly distributed with a nice thick layer of cold-weather protection. Anyway, that place right there where my fat is bulging into my shirt is actually my fat bunching up and getting pinched between my harness and my ribcage.
4)Is it normal for the belt to tweak like that? See there's a pretty big gap at the top of the rearmost section that doesn't even touch my body. My back is particularly flat there though while most people's curve inward - so that might be part of it.

Finally: I'm leaning towards this harness isn't a good fit. I don't think sizing up is the answer, because I'm already running out of room on the legs to tighten them, I would imagine if they were bigger they wouldn't fit. I'm also worried that I'll have the belt on the size 2 cinched completely tight and be really pushing it. Also, it's not nearly as neon green as it looks on the website pictures. it's more of a green green.

This harness was really a little more than I wanted to pay considering it's not what I do for a living - but I didn't want to go too basic or old-school either. I'd like to have at least side D's to get stuff off the center, and somewhere to put some gear. Some other saddles which I'm not on the edge of a size:

Singing Rock Timber Harness
New Tribe Onyx (close though)
TreeMotion (S-light is in my budget, but the full one I'd have to do some soul searching - and searching for loose change probably)

Thanks in advance for the input!

Cheers and Happy Climbing!
-Dumpy
Better off with the Buckingham Alta Verde Saddle- they actually use solid materials in the saddle and it wont feel like a piece of cardboard in your hand lol. https://buckinghammfg.com/products/bucktree-alta-verde-saddle-179061/
 
No kidding? I don’t suppose there’s any kind of manufacturer ID on those buckles or if someone knows a source to get them from?
That’s pretty awesome, thanks for letting me know that!
Idk about the Sequioa's as most petzls stuff looks in house or like stuff i haven't seen elsewhere, but i was always under the impression the Treemotions, all variations, used AustriAplin hardware.. the majority of AustriAlpin is all climb rated hardware with documented/posted data on each product page. Two part frame buckles, cobra buckles, d rings, rings, d ring buckles, triglides etc.. it's all there, it's all tested & documented..

If you go to check it out, theres two sites, one main site & a North America site where you can buy hardware & pay $20 in shipping for a single .05oz peice of hardware..lol. Aside from that caveat, it's good stuff.
 
Idk about the Sequioa's as most petzls stuff looks in house or like stuff i haven't seen elsewhere, but i was always under the impression the Treemotions, all variations, used AustriAplin hardware.. the majority of AustriAlpin is all climb rated hardware with documented/posted data on each product page. Two part frame buckles, cobra buckles, d rings, rings, d ring buckles, triglides etc.. it's all there, it's all tested & documented..

If you go to check it out, theres two sites, one main site & a North America site where you can buy hardware & pay $20 in shipping for a single .05oz peice of hardware..lol. Aside from that caveat, it's good stuff.
The only thing from AustriAlpin on a TM are the buckles. All the Rings and lower D's and stuff are from DMM.
 
Better off with the Buckingham Alta Verde Saddle- they actually use solid materials in the saddle and it wont feel like a piece of cardboard in your hand lol. https://buckinghammfg.com/products/bucktree-alta-verde-saddle-179061/

Thanks for the recommendation, that harness looks a lot like the Sentinel. But I've already gone TreeMotion, and I have to say - I'm not seeing any reason to look for anything else. The TreeMotion certainly doesn't feel like cardboard, and although it's certainly unconventional, the rubber belt material they use definitely feels durable and strong - gives a nice stiffness with enough flexibility for it to conform.
 
Thanks for the recommendation, that harness looks a lot like the Sentinel. But I've already gone TreeMotion, and I have to say - I'm not seeing any reason to look for anything else. The TreeMotion certainly doesn't feel like cardboard, and although it's certainly unconventional, the rubber belt material they use definitely feels durable and strong - gives a nice stiffness with enough flexibility for it to conform.
You can have confidence that you are flying one of the best saddles on the planet bruv. The grass ain't greener.
 
The only thing from AustriAlpin on a TM are the buckles. All the Rings and lower D's and stuff are from DMM.
Yes, i understand, i assumed the DMM parts were a given. Was the question about something other than the buckles? Just to be clear, when you say "buckles only", you need to include all adjusting hardware.. Cobra Buckles, 2part Frame Buckles.. basically, all metal hardware related to webbing adjustment.

Then on the petzl side if things, I'm 99% sure all of that is proprietary to them.. Can anyone confirm or deny that for me? It would be interesting to know if there was an actual source for them. At a quick glance, they do kinda remind me of other manufacturers styles, Sentinel, TreeCore, etc.
 

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