NO trees, please.

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/bron...f_us_alone.html




Now, it's NIMFY -- Not in My FRONT Yard.

Some Mott Haven residents are fuming over city plans to plant trees on their block.

The problem, they say, is that the tree roots eventually crack their sidewalks, leaving them stuck with the repair bill.

"If they want a green Bronx, just look in our backyards," said Marion Rivas of 434 E. 144th St. "We already have trees there. We don't need them out in front."

The trees are part of Mayor Bloomberg's MillionTrees campaign to plant 1 million trees in the city by 2030.

The Department of Parks and Recreation is planning to plant 12 street trees along E. 144th St. between Brook and Willis Aves.

But residents there point to city trees planted across the street that already have ripped up their neighbors' sidewalks.

"This used to be flat," said Shawn Ramos, of 443 E. 144th St., pointing to his broken sidewalk. "I've seen people trip over this. If someone gets hurt, then we're the ones in trouble."

Residents on the south side of the street said it's only a matter of time before the same thing happens to their sidewalks.

Homeowners also fear that because their sidewalk is 2-feet narrower, fully-grown trees will damage their homes, clog sewer drains and entangle power lines.

Most of all, they worry about footing the bill to fix inevitable upheavals in the sidewalks.

"I spent $1,200 fixing my sidewalk already, because it was old," said Polivio Hernandez of 428 E. 144th St. "Now they want to put these trees here? What happens if, in a couple of years, the sidewalk is all destroyed again? I don't want to spend more money."

Parks officials did not respond directly to neighbors' concerns about out-of-pocket expenses, instead saying that careful thought goes into each tree planting.

"We plant street trees in all available spaces on city property at no additional cost to residents, following stringent procedures with special regard to species selection, tree pit width, and canopy coverage," said spokeswoman Jesslyn Tiao Moser.

"Once the street trees are planted, the city cares for street trees, just as it fixes street lights and other crucial city infrastructure," she said.

But Marilyn Ramos, of 443 E. 144th St., scoffed at that claim.

"I've had to fight with the city to get my tree pruned," she said. "I can't believe they're putting in more trees in an area they don't even take care of trees that are already there."



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Sounds like that place is a target rich environment for the rubber sidewalks. I have seen them cap existing sidewalks with a rubber paver. It appears to stand the cold, snow removal AND tree roots!
 
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I have seen them cap existing sidewalks with a rubber paver.

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That is something I have never heard of. It sounds cool, but is not making sense to me. Why leave the concrete under the rubber paver?


SZ
 
It was an experiment, to test the durability of the rubber and adhesion, in case they opted to patch sidewalks rather than replace.

AND if it sticks to old cement here in the frozen North, it will stick to anything!!!
 
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmm now I know why. Yep I don't like city folk. bunch of crybabies all they know how to do is bi$%# about anything and everything. So glad My taxes go up to help support that island 6 hours below me.I believe that should be it's own sepperate state. I have friends there and well they come to see me if they want to visit.
Lost out buying about 25 arces of nice semi forested land. Now just because and I quote this " He had the cash in hand" now I go buy and see a huge lawn hardly any trees in the yard all you can see is trees at the border of land.
 
They have rubber sidewalks in a couple places where I'm at.

I think it's the same stuff as alot of tracks have at schools etc.

Kinda' funny if you don't notice em. A little extra spring in your step.

As far as the story, the reporter summed it up.

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"We plant street trees in all available spaces on city property at no additional cost to residents, following stringent procedures with special regard to species selection, tree pit width, and canopy coverage," said spokeswoman Jesslyn Tiao Moser.

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Sounds like it's on them.
 
Simple case of ignorance. The folks who planted the first trees were ignorant of the damage they'd cause when they got bigger.

More importantly, the whiners are now ignorant of the fact that different trees do different things. All they see is "trees sidewalk bad."

City planners nowadays have a better (though not always and not perfect) grasp of what a tree will be doing in a few decades. Let them do their work!

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nick
 
Totally agree Tom, we have a great deal of understanding supported by both research projects and practical onsite examples to assist in getting the volume of protected soil right.

Getting in at the early concept stage of these reveg projects is the key, faling that...being able to provide workable options to retrofit BMPs into whatever budget and project timeframe they have adoopted seems to be the key to me.

All of this assuming the selection of suitable tree stock without the too often seen root and branch structure issues created by substandard nursery work.
 
Same old fears. The problem exists because the focus is on planting trees without any thought to highlighting the developments in technologies that allow the coexistence of urban infrastructure and trees.

Working in rural, suburban and urban environments I have seen the same disregard for trees where it may cause an inconvenience for the ratepayer. The hue and cry is no different.
 
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It was an experiment, to test the durability of the rubber and adhesion, in case they opted to patch sidewalks rather than replace.

AND if it sticks to old cement here in the frozen North, it will stick to anything!!!

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TD, that's really interesting. How long has this experiment been going on? From the little research I have seen on rubber sidewalks in northern climates, they sounded pretty dissatisfied. But I believe that was rubber pavers alone not as a patching on concrete.

Am glad there is still development going on. Options are needed.

As has been stated by several here, proper selection for the space and proper installation are critical to success. People tend to put all trees in the same box. Never mind the cultivar development with fastiagate/columnar growth making them more street side friendly, selecting a smaller tree or a species with a less invasive root system.

Sylvia
 
At a presentation by Bartlett's research division last winter they showed how 4" bed of styrofoam or gravel drastically reduced root growth under the sidewalk and where there was root growth allowed for expansion without heaving sidewalks.
 

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