New ITCC Event

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I'm just making an un-educated guess here but if when the neck is hyper-extended there is no way the tongue can block the airway why is this deemed necessary,In every first aid course I've ever taken...
I'm not saying your wrong I just wonder way they train this

later
Didj

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Hé Didj,

In our regular /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif first aid course the dummy is suspended in a climbing belt. Sorry just kidding.

In a first aid course the patient is on the floor. We are told to pull the head back by placing one hand on top of the forehead and than "rub" it upwards. Done this way there is no problem venting the patient.

Try this at home Didj, Lean back all the way. Now you have to work hard closing your throat with your tongue.
Now completely relax all your muscles in your head and neck and feel how the venting starts again.

Lets get back to the topic.

I think the first part (the scenario) of the Aerial Rescue done this way sucks.
I am not gonna wait until the paramedics arrive before I am gonna get Jelte out of the tree. That guy is way to valuable to me and it will take me definitive more than 5 minutes to take him down.
But don't forget guys, It's a competition. Make the actual Rescue 10 minutes and the complete competition will blow up. Sure 10 minutes before wistling a man down is my favorite, but telling this to the man that makes the events timetable will send him in a strait jacket (spelled right?) to an hospital for lost cases.
 
Sorry mate your asking the wrong man I broke my neck many years ago and C6 to C4 are one vertibrae.My vertical movement is only about 65% of normal.Making it impossible for me to fully extend my neck back....

Didj
 
I have worked with high angle rescue personal from a few towns around here. They completly agree with Treespotter. If the worker is hanging backwards leave them there and lower them. HHS is very unlikely in the position.
 
I'm agree with every one we shoud get rid of the AR, and replace it with a faster event. It would be nice to have more TV friendly event, so ESPN could ad tree climbing to the outdoor game. All they would have to do is drop one of the 50 log rolling event they have.
 
I agree with judge. I know for myself I probably would not have ever really thought in depth about AR without the comp. It maybe a lame event, but honestly, look here at this thread, a healthy dialouge about rescue scenarios that would not have occured if we were not bi--ching about the comp. In that regards it had only been positive. I also really dont think that people will confuse the event with reality and set their stopwatch when they go to get their friend out of a tree.

As to chainsaws. I hate them, all around, noisy, stinky, scary, heavy, and ugly evil things that dont make nice clean cuts. I hang mine in the center of the tree during a prune job and retrieve it for the limbs the zubat and my elbow cant handle. Conveniently, those limbs are usually right there in the center or lower half of the tree. As my handsaw blade gets older, the more i find myself lugging that polluting thing around.


kevin
 
I agree completely with Craig here.
I have been around the comp scene for a number of years as have alot of you from this forum.I would say that in the rescue event in particular the use of equipment and techniques has advanced more than any other event with the exception of the masters maybe.If we put it in perspective here.How may of you have had the misfortune of doing a rescue for real.I have only made 3 in 20 years.This is the point.Some companies have rescue training days but how often twice a year if your lucky.The rescue event at comps gives climbers and spectators the chance to watch alot of rescues in a short period of time.Its very visuell so it sticks in peoples heads and gives them ideas about how they might approach a rescue if they were ever in that situation.We always say in this industry Safety first and the rescue is more about safety than most other things we do.Its about knowing that if the sh#t does hit the fan your workmates going to be there for you.Comps are about making people aware of what we do and progression and safety of the industry ok showboating does come along as part and parcel of that.
but I think we can all live with it ..

Didj
 
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you should look at the history of the ITCC

http://itcc.isa-arbor.com/History/history.asp

how many people now pratice AR because of the comp. ?

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I agree with Judge...I happened upon the history (ref'd above) a few days ago and found it very interesting reading. Seeing how ITCC has evolved makes for good reading (e.g, it was the Prusik knot that resurrected the Footlock event...footlocking had been dropped as an event for a few years because it was deemeed unsafe).

Since the root purpose of the event was originallly to "preserve the classic skills that would prepare a climber equipped with nothing more than a rope to have the ability to save a life in an aerial rescue" it seems heretical or sacreligious to drop the seminal event.

Just my opinion...besides, I want to see how it is done. /forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
 
If we want an event that is more relevant to everyday working practices, why not introduce a Lleylandii Bashing event?
A timed event, staged in a 15-20 foot tall conifer hedge, made up of those tall whippy stems with few footholds or tie-in points, over a distance of 30 to 50 feet. Each competitor has to sprint from one end to the other while carrying a top handled chainsaw and dragging a 10 metre climbing line.
And for a grand finale, the winner of the event gets to douse the hedge in paraffin and light it to produce a spectacular backdrop to the presentation ceremony.

Or, to highlight the advantages of tree friendly working practices, for the world finals the top pole climbers could be invited to compete head to head against the top footlockers. That might just be plain embarrassing though!
 
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That might just be plain embarrassing though!

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Embarassing to us! Jeremy Barrell does the 80' (or 100') pole climb in the same time we footlock 40'-50'! Pole climbers are amazing.

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Yup, thats what I meant!

Has anyone beaten Mark Bryden's 9.61 seconds record?

Theres no way anyones ever going to footlock 100 feet in that time! /forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
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