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Comments? I could not find a way to upload a .docx file to the board... sorry for the lack of line-breaks
My Philosophy term paper
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tomthetreeman
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Great thoughts there, John. My only critiques are:
1.) Do a spell check and have a colleague read it with you to clean up some of the minor wording issues they may find that you don't see.
2.) The language ranges from being very rigid to a bit slang. Being a term paper, I think you'd want to lean a little more toward the former. I could be dead wrong here as I didn't attend college, and I wouldn't know what professors are looking for these days.
Also, I C&P'd it into word on my computer; much easier to read!
-Tom
1.) Do a spell check and have a colleague read it with you to clean up some of the minor wording issues they may find that you don't see.
2.) The language ranges from being very rigid to a bit slang. Being a term paper, I think you'd want to lean a little more toward the former. I could be dead wrong here as I didn't attend college, and I wouldn't know what professors are looking for these days.
Also, I C&P'd it into word on my computer; much easier to read!
-Tom
guymayor
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Comments? I could not find a way to upload a .docx file to the board...
well tyhen save it as a .doc
title does not seem grammatical. Arborobum is not a word!
What was the assignment?
well tyhen save it as a .doc
title does not seem grammatical. Arborobum is not a word!
What was the assignment?
Daniel
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JOhn,
Good to hear from you again.. I just copied and pasted the doc into Word and it was right there.
I like the concepts and think the distinction and importance of that distcinction has value in writing. These are not easy concepts to put clearly into writing, epsecially to a lay audience. To them its very abstract stuff, a bit like trying to talk about God..
If you are going to re-write it, please consider the following feedback. The paper skips around a lot, in a way that is confusing to the reader. The point of the paper should be made in the first two paragraphs and better if its made in the first paragraph. So make the point up front, then give the reasoning, that is the argument, then give the evidence, then show how that evidence supports the argument, and then conclude by re-stating the point.
That is going to be hard enough.. then if you can weave in your own personal experience is a way that keeps the readers interest and furthers the flow of the paper, while logically supporting the argument, then you're a master. NOT EASY!!
Trees have tremendous value to human life, that is often overlooked by many. They are living beings that can co-exist with humans and provide lots of benefits.. Without trees we'd be living in a dessert, or concrete jungle.
At the same time they provide us great benefits they also pose a hazard. Trees kill people and do huge property damage every year.
Trees living around humans in suburban situations are put in conditions unnatural for their genetic predispositions. this can both effect their health and the danger they pose. They need care and maintenance in order to preserve the value they offer and reduce the risk they pose.
In my career as an arborist, I've worked at gold courses where every tree was considered a valuable part of the golfing experinece and sculpted with an artists care. I've also worked after hurricanes where large communities were devestated for months by the damage to houses, commericail building, and electrical utility infrastructure.
An arborist must be part artist, part businessman, part scientist, and part pcychologist. he must know what's good for trees, balance that with the needs of the people that live around them, and find a way to convince the people that are paying him to do this work, that their needs are best served by accepting his recommnedations. And do all this while still earning enough money to support himself and his family.
Anyone with a pickup truck and a chain saw can go into the tree service. Economies of scale favor the small operations, so that leaves a lot of hacks able to easily get in the business and stay in the business for years without any understanding of tree biology etc.. Very little education available. Most must be learned through hands on self motivated learning..
a little blurb about tree biology and how bad improper hack care can be for trees..
then get into the manager/advocate thing
maybe throw in an anecdote about the lady that bought the 500,000 house becasue she liked the 150 year old white oak in the backyard, but decides to re-do the kitchen and bath rooms before getting the tree maintenance looked at. 3 weeks later a wind storm break out half the tree, weakened by a co-dom stem with included bark, which could have ben resolved with a $175 cable.. it costes her $3,000 to remove the tree, she has to file an insurance claim for the damage to fence and deck etc...
finish up by tying it all back to your perspective on tree work and lead that back into a reverse summary of the point, I speak for the trees.. many knowledgable arborsits don't, still many more hack can't.. trees need care to protect their value and limit their hazards, trees have tremendous value to humans in their lives and the lives of their progeny...
Good to hear from you again.. I just copied and pasted the doc into Word and it was right there.
I like the concepts and think the distinction and importance of that distcinction has value in writing. These are not easy concepts to put clearly into writing, epsecially to a lay audience. To them its very abstract stuff, a bit like trying to talk about God..
If you are going to re-write it, please consider the following feedback. The paper skips around a lot, in a way that is confusing to the reader. The point of the paper should be made in the first two paragraphs and better if its made in the first paragraph. So make the point up front, then give the reasoning, that is the argument, then give the evidence, then show how that evidence supports the argument, and then conclude by re-stating the point.
That is going to be hard enough.. then if you can weave in your own personal experience is a way that keeps the readers interest and furthers the flow of the paper, while logically supporting the argument, then you're a master. NOT EASY!!
Trees have tremendous value to human life, that is often overlooked by many. They are living beings that can co-exist with humans and provide lots of benefits.. Without trees we'd be living in a dessert, or concrete jungle.
At the same time they provide us great benefits they also pose a hazard. Trees kill people and do huge property damage every year.
Trees living around humans in suburban situations are put in conditions unnatural for their genetic predispositions. this can both effect their health and the danger they pose. They need care and maintenance in order to preserve the value they offer and reduce the risk they pose.
In my career as an arborist, I've worked at gold courses where every tree was considered a valuable part of the golfing experinece and sculpted with an artists care. I've also worked after hurricanes where large communities were devestated for months by the damage to houses, commericail building, and electrical utility infrastructure.
An arborist must be part artist, part businessman, part scientist, and part pcychologist. he must know what's good for trees, balance that with the needs of the people that live around them, and find a way to convince the people that are paying him to do this work, that their needs are best served by accepting his recommnedations. And do all this while still earning enough money to support himself and his family.
Anyone with a pickup truck and a chain saw can go into the tree service. Economies of scale favor the small operations, so that leaves a lot of hacks able to easily get in the business and stay in the business for years without any understanding of tree biology etc.. Very little education available. Most must be learned through hands on self motivated learning..
a little blurb about tree biology and how bad improper hack care can be for trees..
then get into the manager/advocate thing
maybe throw in an anecdote about the lady that bought the 500,000 house becasue she liked the 150 year old white oak in the backyard, but decides to re-do the kitchen and bath rooms before getting the tree maintenance looked at. 3 weeks later a wind storm break out half the tree, weakened by a co-dom stem with included bark, which could have ben resolved with a $175 cable.. it costes her $3,000 to remove the tree, she has to file an insurance claim for the damage to fence and deck etc...
finish up by tying it all back to your perspective on tree work and lead that back into a reverse summary of the point, I speak for the trees.. many knowledgable arborsits don't, still many more hack can't.. trees need care to protect their value and limit their hazards, trees have tremendous value to humans in their lives and the lives of their progeny...
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It is a 300 level Philosophy course and I am doing a compare/contrast on the self-ideation of different types of arborists. (hence the lack of biology in the paper)
A why we do what we do, not a how we do those things. The poles of the continuum seem to be driven by perception of duty, and I am looking at where certain types of people feel their duty lies.
I've had some of these ideas bouncing around in my head for a few years and wanted to think more on it. I'm not ecstatic about the paper, but i think it is a good essay on the subject.
Not a point driven essay though...
Guy, how does the conjugation of the Latin go? I recall Advocatus pro Arborobum being the consensus over Advocatus di arboro
A why we do what we do, not a how we do those things. The poles of the continuum seem to be driven by perception of duty, and I am looking at where certain types of people feel their duty lies.
I've had some of these ideas bouncing around in my head for a few years and wanted to think more on it. I'm not ecstatic about the paper, but i think it is a good essay on the subject.
Not a point driven essay though...
Guy, how does the conjugation of the Latin go? I recall Advocatus pro Arborobum being the consensus over Advocatus di arboro
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i agree with tom, spell check and keep it formal, no slang, all my professors wanteda more formal paper. you have some nice ideas there. put together an outline on paper as to what you are trying to get across, you do not have to go into every aspect, but keep it flowing from beginning to end... believe me an outline works. also what you want people to get out of this. good luck to you.
guymayor
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this recutandpasted from our 2003 chat. You were close.
Advocatus de arboribus (advocate of trees) or
advocatus de arbore (advocate of the tree) might be intelligible,
though I think it's more likely that one would say
advocatus arborum (tree advocate, advocate of the trees) gpm ed.--arbora would be plural
**advocatus pro arboribus (advocate for the trees)**
yes gosh please spell/grammarcheck first; i am not sure if I am an oddball on the left of green or a Manager or what.
When's it due? Finals here are over.
Advocatus de arboribus (advocate of trees) or
advocatus de arbore (advocate of the tree) might be intelligible,
though I think it's more likely that one would say
advocatus arborum (tree advocate, advocate of the trees) gpm ed.--arbora would be plural
**advocatus pro arboribus (advocate for the trees)**
yes gosh please spell/grammarcheck first; i am not sure if I am an oddball on the left of green or a Manager or what.
When's it due? Finals here are over.
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A couple of days since I read the paper and I liked it. I've just been thinking a bit. Wouldn't it be an idea to compare the different arborist types magnager/preserver up to different types of philosephies/philosephers.
I typically see the manger to be influensed by the thinking Descartes did, where he pronounced that "nature is a machine". Since nature is only a machine we people can do whatever we like with it and fix it to serve our purpouses best possible.
As for the preservers go more in the direction of Spinoza and now in modern times the Deep Ecology Movement.
Best of luck.
I typically see the manger to be influensed by the thinking Descartes did, where he pronounced that "nature is a machine". Since nature is only a machine we people can do whatever we like with it and fix it to serve our purpouses best possible.
As for the preservers go more in the direction of Spinoza and now in modern times the Deep Ecology Movement.
Best of luck.
tomthetreeman
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Interesting angle, Erlend! I like it!
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When's it due? Finals here are over.
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Sunday via email, my last of three papers for the semester. My algebra final is tomorrow morning.
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As for the preservers go more in the direction of Spinoza and now in modern times the Deep Ecology Movement.
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I'd like to, but it is a bit too deep for me, having only a few units of philos so far. I've read some Nietzche, Aristotle, Santayana... but i have not studied in depth.
What's all this about me needing spellcheck
It did pass spellcheck, those are all real words
I guess we are kinda burned out. Diane helped me proof my first two papers, and i think she is on strike.
When's it due? Finals here are over.
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Sunday via email, my last of three papers for the semester. My algebra final is tomorrow morning.
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As for the preservers go more in the direction of Spinoza and now in modern times the Deep Ecology Movement.
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I'd like to, but it is a bit too deep for me, having only a few units of philos so far. I've read some Nietzche, Aristotle, Santayana... but i have not studied in depth.
What's all this about me needing spellcheck
It did pass spellcheck, those are all real words
tomthetreeman
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See my #1 thought sans the spellcheck suggestion. I wish I could help you more, but I'm busy saving the world at the moment. 
Best to sit down with someone over a coffee and work out the minor mistakes, which are not necessarily spelling (see moonfarm's post).
-Tom
Best to sit down with someone over a coffee and work out the minor mistakes, which are not necessarily spelling (see moonfarm's post).-Tom
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Nice, JPS, I like it.
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John, I taught experiential education in plant science for 14 yrs. Have read papers by and listened to many a plant person. Your paper is very much from the heart. the only thing i see within the paper is the constant attempt to prove that arborists are not dummies and that we deserve some respect as skilled trades persons. maybe you should just explain what we do and why we do it and those who get it will respect us and you will not feel the need to explain why we should be respected. explain the theory not the desired result.. IMO I truly hope you find peace with your love of horticulture
guymayor
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try this on for size
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Thought that the "qualify (as) philosophical zombies" is appropriate for many of the true hackers.
Isn't it amazing the antithesis between tree hackers and computer hackers? One is void of understanding and the other is exceeds the average for understanding.
My take on duty is a bit different. I'm an "arborist" first and foremost for my self - my own frame of mind and like of working with trees.
Duty? It's understanding trees that I enjoy that keeps me engaged. So that even if I never had another customer, I'd still enjoy retaining my knowledge and ability.
Isn't it amazing the antithesis between tree hackers and computer hackers? One is void of understanding and the other is exceeds the average for understanding.
My take on duty is a bit different. I'm an "arborist" first and foremost for my self - my own frame of mind and like of working with trees.
Duty? It's understanding trees that I enjoy that keeps me engaged. So that even if I never had another customer, I'd still enjoy retaining my knowledge and ability.
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