Monkey tail

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The monkey tail is placed on top of the friction hitch or Gri-Gri then the lead of the climbing line is placed around the spar. Above the eye splice a blakes hitch with and 8 is tied. Depending on which system will be used will determine how much distance is between the connecting link and the Blakes tied with the Monkey Tail.
Thus closing the system around the spar.
 

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Re: Monkey\'s paw

So...if I understand this right...the tail with the biner as shown in post 133269 would have to hang down to where the climber would make the next position?

If that's how it;s used...do you find that the biner-tail gets in the way?

Are you concerned with it being snagged by the piece that is being cut?
 
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Hello Tom. There are photos posted of the 2 different techniques one with the connecting link close to the monkey tail and one of the lead extended. The Monkey tail should be on the side of the tree with the climber, not the side with the rigging. The distance from the ring on the Monkey tail to the Blakes can be adjusted from 2 to around 10 inches. The spar this is shown on is around 8 in diameter. I have used it on spars over 40 diameter with perfect results. Usually when the connecting link is close to the monkey tail the technique of placing the fall in the connecting link is used. The tail of climbing line has never caused a issue the connecting link can be removed if technique 1 is being used. This would reduce the amount of equipment whipping about the tree as the piece cycled the spar. Usually the tail is only as long as the size piece being rigged or dropped. If the climber wanted to descend to the ground they would simply extend the tail before descending or place the fall into the connecting link.
 
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I see where you are coming from - good thinking.

I've always used a simpler version. I always work with a ring + ring false crotch and a knotted line rather than splices, for various reasons.

So, I've worked my way up to my final TIP, leaving the spar to work down. Here the spar is thin diameter, so I don't want to use a choked krab. No matter, I have my ring+ring saver on the end of my line (in Rolph Harris style; 'can ya tell what it is yet?'
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All I must do, is:
1. Pop out my krab and scaffold from the end of my line,
2. Leave the small ring of the saver on my line and pass the end of my line round the stem,
3. re-tie on the same ring with a buntline and 8" tail.

The saver hangs down as a release handle (the same line of fall as my line), that a krab (the one I popped off my line
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These types of systems have limitations though as the stem increases. Especially leaning stems covered in moss and bulges like we get round here. For that, I use something else thats even simpler.
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BTW what is a Raven pack?

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Ditto, I can't find them on your website.
 
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We are also retailers of the Raven Packs and I recommend them highly. The largest sized one is the one that I use. I have beaten my Raven Pack through a few comps, two countries and months of tree care, it is awesome.

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BTW what is a Raven pack?

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Ditto, I can't find them on your website.

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Here it is:
http://www.kelty.com/Kelty/products.php?type=2&cat=all&id=168
 
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Seems like the Monkey Tail could be improved and cleaned up by switching to a loop or a sling with a big eye for the prusik and a little eye for the ring, sortof like a footlock prusik loop.

The tail hanging off the blakes isn't needed for the system, is it?

Switching to a prusik would be a way to tidy it up a bit.

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Seems like the Monkey Tail could be improved and cleaned up by switching to a loop or a sling with a big eye for the prusik and a little eye for the ring, sortof like a footlock prusik loop.

The tail hanging off the blakes isn't needed for the system, is it?

Switching to a prusik would be a way to tidy it up a bit.

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Hi Nick. Seems to do that, the prusik would have to be formed before pushing the end of line through. A Blakes will be easier. Or ommitt both and just tie the end of the line onto the ring.
 
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Thats right Lazarus2. The first version of the Monkey Tail was in the form of a prusik. It was very difficult to use.
 
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A loop would work with a Klemheist/Kreuzklem - just wrap up the line and pop the loop over the end of the line, like a pile hitch.
 
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Another nice feature of the Blakes, is that you can adjust the length of the "bridge" for bigger or smaller spars.

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The Blakes is of no advantage on any size spar.

Nothing is simpler than just the ring. Or a Karabiner.
 
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yeah, lazarus, I see what your saying. just a carabiner would be super easy to use. No knot or friction hitch necessary at all. The only downside would be on smaller wood the cross loading effect.

It seems like that is one of those issues people debate about a lot. It doesnt instinctually bother me to much. A ring needs some sort of friction hitch to make it simple to use. I dont think it matters what kind.
 
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