Man vs. Earth

[Treetopflyer]

I like this DSMc!.....I want to bring up an example of something we all tend to believe in, for it seems to dominate our reality. Yet we hardly ever question if it is real or not.

Am I the body?

If not, what am I?

Your losing me maverick! Not sure I follow completely?

I can say with conviction that "I" am not the body

Can you enlighten my little brain guys!? Thanks

Never mind!

 

[DSMc]

....Am I the body? If not, what am I?

I am glad you liked my post, Mike and yours is a good example of " a perspective " on a truth but definitely not in the direction I was hoping to go. I don't believe that people need to unlearn the world, how can they unlearn what they never knew?
Instead, I want people to understand that they are indeed part of this earth and to stop living and acting as if the system's intricate workings somehow do not apply to them and that they can disregard it and think things will somehow be OK.

 

[TreeCo]

Ain't that some shit.

Where you coming from?

There's a star man waiting in the sky. He'd like to come and meet us but he thinks he'd blow our minds......


Stewart Brand: The dawn of de-extinction. Are you ready?

(Some) EXTINCTION IS (not necessarily) FOREVER: Carl Zimmer at TEDxDeExtinction

Big Think Interview With Stewart Brand

 

[Redtree]

Wow I gotta digest the last 24 hrs of posts. I like all of them at 1:00 in the morning. Wanted to mention too, how I forget to like posts. I'm easily distracted. ADHD, ADD, or just my nature. So much to think about, I drove from Atlanta to Toronto today. and saw these last 24 hrs of posts. Plus the racing extinction (RE) website. Dunlap is right, this is a good thread. Thanks for igniting this one, Treetopflyer. Also noticed that other thread, thanking everyone for there efforts here. I like that thread idea too.
More later, before i derail or tangent or think out loud or write another novel on Treetopflyers thread.
One last thing, Tom Dunlap, did you get that 'like this thread' button going yet? Or push a button regarding that button? Plant a seed?
Ok really, last thing I had a question I missed regarding the RE show. I don't know if there are more parts or more parts. Anyone else know? I was waiting for the tree part. Hey also noticed that planet earth bbc thread. Covers some aerial tree footage I was hungry for.



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[Treetopflyer]

There's a star man waiting in the sky. He'd like to come and meet us but he thinks he'd blow our minds......

Dewey cox?

 

[Treetopflyer]

Wow I gotta digest the last 24 hrs of posts. I like all of them at 1:00 in the morning. Wanted to mention too, how I forget to like posts. I'm easily distracted. ADHD, ADD, or just my nature. So much to think about, I drove from Atlanta to Toronto today. and saw these last 24 hrs of posts. Plus the racing extinction (RE) website. Dunlap is right, this is a good thread. Thanks for igniting this one, Treetopflyer. Also noticed that other thread, thanking everyone for there efforts here. I like that thread idea too.
More later, before i derail or tangent or think out loud or write another novel on Treetopflyers thread.
One last thing, Tom Dunlap, did you get that 'like this thread' button going yet? Or push a button regarding that button? Plant a seed?
Ok really, last thing I had a question I missed regarding the RE show. I don't know if there are more parts or more parts. Anyone else know? I was waiting for the tree part. Hey also noticed that planet earth bbc thread. Covers some aerial tree footage I was hungry for.



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It's all good red.. maybe some will donate to stand for trees instead of excessive treesuff spending . Or this open some eyes thatve been shut. I'm hopeful
For our mother . she is strong.

 

[Treetopflyer]

There's a star man waiting in the sky. He'd like to come and meet us but he thinks he'd blow our minds......

Dewey Cox? I meant David Bowie lol

 

[TreeCo]

Dewey Cox?

Jump into the deep end of the pool and give Stewart Brand a listen.

Don't let it pass you by.

 

[DSMc]

Wow, not a Stewart Brand fan. How is it that someone so smart and with, apparently, such sincerely good intentions, can use words like sustainability, global awareness and earth friendly and never mention, limits?
I know, we don't like limits but look around. What organism has no limits? Why is it that some believe that the answer is, if you need more just make more. Isn't that what has brought us to the place we are at today.
He may be flying a different flag but he is not talking about change or even conservation, just different ways to keep doing what we've been doing. Because that has worked so well.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

The Three R triangle of Reduce-Reuse-Recycle has been around for a long time.

Something that has stuck with me is that the 'slogan' has been used in that order but socially we seem to have only minimally embraced the concept in reverse order. I see people going through contortions to recycle but they seem to be generating way more waste by not reducing...especially packaging. I know that it's hard to get away from over-packaging.

Recycling programs are all over! Single stream systems are pretty standard in most metro areas. I have to wonder though how much actual energy savings there are from these systems.

Unless we reduce our use of resources and energy there is no hope. At some time the resource pot will be empty.

Reusing works too but only to an extent. At some time materials can't be reused. Then the challenge is to recycle. Minneapolis has a garbage burner to recycle the energy. Funny thing...it's located right between the Twin's Stadium and Target Center...basketball arena/concerts...on the north edge of downtown.

St. Paul has a wood waste burning steam/electric system near downtown. In a couple of years they will not be using any coal, just wood waste. Trees to energy. Seems like a reasonable use of the materials. There still seems to be plenty of wood waste going to mulch/compost too.

 

[TreeCo]

Wow, not a Stewart Brand fan. How is it that someone so smart and with, apparently, such sincerely good intentions, can use words like sustainability, global awareness and earth friendly and never mention, limits?
I know, we don't like limits but look around. What organism has no limits? Why is it that some believe that the answer is, if you need more just make more. Isn't that what has brought us to the place we are at today.
He may be flying a different flag but he is not talking about change or even conservation, just different ways to keep doing what we've been doing. Because that has worked so well.

You evidently don't know where Brand is coming from or where he's been.

 

[DSMc]

Actually I know plenty about Mr. Brand. I still do not like what he is trying to sell. Not at all.

 

[TreeCo]

Actually I know plenty about Mr. Brand. I still do not like what he is trying to sell. Not at all.

It seems you'd know that with Mr. Brand that understanding sustainability and limits are a given.

It was only a 26 minute interview and it didn't touch on our over population problem, the driving force behind most if not all of our other problems.

http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

 

[DSMc]

It seems you'd know that with Mr. Brand that understanding sustainability and limits are a given.....

This is my point. He does speak the words and seems well informed on how everything interacts but his recommendations are to stay on with the way we have been doing things, but this time we can get it right through science.

Yes, with clear thinking scientific guidance, we can make this world fit us just right.

 

[DSMc]

This is an example of our inefficiency. Is the answer to just produce more?
http://unep.org/wed/2013/quickfacts/

 

[TreeCo]

Yes, with clear thinking scientific guidance, we can make this world fit us just right.

We will make this world fit us as well as possible. The population Earth is beyond the point that we can all heat our homes with wood stoves and feed ourselves on a little patch of land out back. Even if it hasn't yet, it will soon. Got a solution for population control? I say this having heated with wood 100% and having grown a good percentage of our own food since 1978. I bet even among the group of us here at The Buzz that consider ourselves green......that very few if an are self sufficient.

I've got the first 20 years of The Mother Earth News on my bookshelf. It's great reading if you want to feel all warm and fuzzy. I sure enjoyed it and still do.

It's hard to imagine our future in 50, 250, or 1,000 years even for an Arthur C. Clarke or an Issac Asimov. Man's future is in space. Earth too, but space will be our main home. Space will hold a lot more people than this pale blue dot.

The doom dayers say we'll be gone.

I don't believe them.

 

[Treetopflyer]

Jump into the deep end of the pool and give Stewart Brand a listen.

Don't let it pass you by.

I

Jump into the deep end of the pool and give Stewart Brand a listen.

Don't let it pass you by.

I will but I'm busy watching racing extinction right now.

 

[JeffGu]

..space will be our main home...

I think you would have to actually give NASA a budget capable of developing a long term space strategy, first, wouldn't you? Steadily slashing their budget probably isn't helping that any.
As you've pointed out, it's not easy to grow enough food in your backyard to feed two people (big on that, myself), how big is your space garden going to be, to feed a viable population of humans? For most large mammals, that's a minimum of 2000... and absolutely nothing thrives well at a few hundred degrees below freezing, so your climate control systems not only have to be extremely reliable, they have to be redundant. Backups for the backups. You have to have bullet proof, redundant atmospheric systems... same with power systems, medical systems, etc. and it goes on and on. Looks easy in Joe Blow's Space Thriller of the Year, but not nearly so easy in reality.

The fact is, absolutely nobody is spending the kind of money it takes to develop a long term space colonization or exploration strategy, and for a good reason. There's no future in it (pardon the pun). There's lots of good reasons to support a healthy space program, but moving humans off of this planet to a happy home in Alpha Centauri isn't one of them. The space stations have taught us a few things. Among them, living in zero gravity for any length of time isn't much of an option.

No, I think going extinct isn't such a bad thing. Maybe a truly intelligent lifeform will arise from the ashes, you never know.

 

[TreeCo]

I think you would have to actually give NASA a budget capable of developing a long term space strategy, first, wouldn't you? Steadily slashing their budget probably isn't helping that any.

NASA?

Think China.

 

[DSMc]

.....Got a solution for population control?.....

Funny you should ask, but yes I do. The world population is already stabilizing, but for the wrong reasons. Work with the elements and the world population will stop at whatever number is right. Just like the fish in the ocean or the birds in the sky. Population is controlled by what is available at a sustainable rate.

Just as the forests can be harvested forever if use doesn't exceed growth, so to can man live on this world if he is willing to not take more than it can give.