Legal TIP on the ball

I think my question got lost in the mix here, I would hope its not being ignored or dodged for any reason......



If a climbing system of attaching to the ball passes an OSHA inspection, and is "approved" by that inspector, does that make it the same, less, or more legal than the system Norm outlined?
 
bull you know there is no such thing as an "OSHA Approved system" until they produce a manual, field guide, set of standards, or whatever where the exact system is described and has a reg# attached to it the ANSI standards are the best guide we have to follow.
Your method, my method, and norms method have all "survived" an OSHA inspection. All that means is that particular inspector, that day, in that situation felt like we meet our General Duty Clause of protecting our employees against known hazards. That very same inspector could show up tomorrow and change his mind. I believe Mark and several other people on this site are working on changing that.
The only reason I even said anything about this subject that keeps coming up over and over again is that i really feel carabineers and friction savers have no place what so ever being attached to any part of the crane. We all know tree work isnt something that happens in an ideal world. Things happen, there are so many situations where anything attached to the ball could be subjected to all sorts of crazy loads and abuse. I don’t ever want my or anyone else’s life support attachment point to be the weak link in the system.
I know that I am mind fu#king this a bit.. but I try and think of every horrible and unforeseen thing that could happen every day at work and do everything possible to make sure we all can walk home at the end of the day
 
I have used Norm's system for many years with no issues. It doesn't mean its the end all be all. Its a system that works for me and has been blessed by OSHA.
 
My point is, if a system has been "blessed", "passed", "approved", "whatever", by an OSHA inspection, its just as legal as the next system that has the gone through the same inspection. For people to go around saying there system is the only one, because one OSHA inspector in a state far far away passed that system on an OSHA inspection,......well thats just ridonkulous. Do you know how many tree companies survive these sorts of inspections with different gear, set-ups, machines, etc? LOADS! There are many systems to which we have available to us that have survived inspections. Many climbing styles as well, spurs & no spurs, etc.

Choose the system(s) that works best for YOU. But do know, there are choices out there for you.
 
Well said Jim. If something works for someone better for someone else and its deemed safe and everyone has their own opinions. I personally would be a little worried about shackle flipping and having the rope run directly over the pin.
 
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That particular shackle he was using was designed with a bolt instead of a pin and the bolt was installed with a lock nut and a cotterpin so it wasn't going to thread out.

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Also when we put that shackle on that master link 3 years ago we tightened the bolt in the shop to the point that i don’t think we will be able to get it off without cutting torches.
like bull said what works for one guy doesn’t have to work for the next. We also own the crane so we put the system on and leave it there, so we need something tough enough to survive not only tree work but driving down the road every day. Having dedicated crane crews where the same guys and same equipment go out everyday lets us set up more permanent options. I am sure i would want a system where i didn’t have to remove the Becket from the ball each time if we had to rent our cranes or only did it a few times a week/month/year.
Be Safe
 
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Also when we put that shackle on that master link 3 years ago we tightened the bolt in the shop to the point that i don’t think we will be able to get it off without cutting torches.


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Be careful with that over torquing a bolt can be worse than leaving it loose, with that keeper pin you really don't need to over tighten it.
 
Did I miss it? Sorry. I said it in person though right?

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What was the second part about? You mean the way we did with Dan? That's cool by me, but I don't use that system everyday here. I use my own like Nom posted. It's all good though.
 
I'm also not too sure that Norm's system is the weak link. If he uses a steel krab and the friction saver is used in basket config, then it is rated for 10K right? The best part about that system is how easy it is to create on a crane rental in no time. Dan's system would do the same thing too. The Marquis system pictured is a nice idea for your own permanent system. It is the same idea I saw Larry in CT with TCofTrees use years ago. Looks bomb proof.
 
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I'm also not too sure that Norm's system is the weak link. If he uses a steel krab and the friction saver is used in basket config, then it is rated for 10K right? The best part about that system is how easy it is to create on a crane rental in no time. Dan's system would do the same thing too. The Marquis system pictured is a nice idea for your own permanent system. It is the same idea I saw Larry in CT with TCofTrees use years ago. Looks bomb proof.

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Exactly. The crane shows up in the morning, and you want to setup your system as quickly as possible. You inspect the shackle and friction saver before the crane arrives, and when it's gone.
Even though it's a quick setup, it is a 100% bullet proof. Safer than a fork in a tree, which we normally trust. :-)
 
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