Legal TIP on the ball

I have not had osha inspection, so I am not sure.
I have had a third party safety company inspect our opperation, the inspector is a former osha inspector, he found no issues with our method.
I used this same system at the company I used to work for, they had a full onsite osha inspection, they had no issues with the system.
The system meets ansi z133 standards

I am all ears if someone has a better method.
I know the method that bostonbull described has also surived at least one onsite osha inspection, I just don't like climbers line and the slings being that close together
 
Looks like the pic is not there. Are you using the master link on the load line above the becket and then attaching the shackle to that and climbing off of the shackle? I am trying to envision the system.

Welcome to the Buzz too!
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I see. That is what I was thinking. Does the shackle ever flop over and pinch the climbing line at all? Theway it is right now looks nice in that it forces the line out a bit.

One thing that I like better about the friction saver idea is how you can create a tie in that drops the climbing line slightly lower than the ball so that it cannot get bump on a spar when moving around setting slings and such.
 
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Norm, if your system is approved by OSHA could you please provide the name of the individual or any documentation that you received from OSHA showing that is the case. It is not that I have any doubt it is just that it would be very helpful in a situation that I am involved in. I appreciate you time.

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I don't have the documentation, my former employer has it. It was the OHSA office out of Des Plaines, IL. I don't remember the inspectors name. Sorry.
 
I have never had the shackle or masterlink pinch the climbing line. If the climber crosses the slings over his line its possible to squeeze the line when u tighten up.
The large master link keeps the line away from the ball so u dont end up rubbing it against the ball, hook, bolts, and rigging

Never use a regular screw pin shackle, D and B tree had a climber fall out of a tree, he was rappelling down the tree off a regular screw pin shackle and his line unscrewed the pin.
 
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I have been using Norm's technique most of the time since he shared it with me years ago. I have used a few others here and there, but I haven't found a better way than that as of yet.

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Because there isn't one.
 
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Because there isn't one.

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i am just going to save dave the time of responding to nonsense such as this by adding my own thought/s.

apparently none of you chuckleheads actually know what you are doing or what is going on.

you want to climb off a friction saver that hangs off the side of the ball.... the place on a crane that takes almost all the azz kick'ns during the day. climb off the fiber that gets rubbed bumped and pinched between wood and ball.

yeah. that makes a ton of sense.

rather climb off a f/s than 2 pieces of steel rated at 8.5 ton each.......

i am telling ya. the more i read of what you mutts talk about just leaves me with less and less faith in the safety and brain power of those that work in this industry. notice i didn't say peers.

bet i can set up our system faster than you can with your gay frictionsaver action.

anyway. its nice to come back here once in a while to see what nonsense you guys are bringing to the table.

stay safe mutts. especially those climbing off deathtraps such as this novel idea.
 
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i'm a little upset about this warm welcome, mark. where's my halfwack? i been telling you boys here what the score was long before this dude started posting....

anyway you don't have to lie to normy anymore. we both know you the type of guy that just rides the hook.....
 
If a climbing system of attaching to the ball passes an OSHA inspection, and is "approved" by that inspector, does that make it the same, less, or more legal than the system Norm outlined?
 
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bet i can set up our system faster than you can with your gay frictionsaver action.

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If you got something that works for you why not share it and join in the discussion rather than wasting our time with trash talk there OldDirty?

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I didn’t see the picture of norms system until today. I don’t mean any disrespect when I say that it is one of the worst systems I have ever seen… correct me if I am wrong but it looks like you have an aluminum friction saver and an aluminum carabineer? Aluminum doesn’t hold up well in impacts against steel. Why not use a safety shackle? How do you get your spliced line with a eyelet in it thru the fs? What keeps the fs from coming off the shackle when the climbing line is not attached to it? There are many situations where the friction saver and or the carabineer could be subjected to all sorts of extreme abuses.
There are friction savers failing under normal conditions (I know just the ones without a load rating stamped on them). This isn’t a question of how long someone has used this system. Something like this is a failure is not an option component. Its just a mater of time before someone falls off a crane because their aluminum friction saver gets damaged or fatigued during operation and they don’t notice it.
For those of you who use this system, please inspect ever part of it before you tie into it ever pick, the last thing our industry needs is to have someone fall off a crane riding the ball because their attachment point fails.
I am sure this whole post is a huge waste of time, bull let me know today that this thread comes up 5 or 6 times a year.
 
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I didn’t see the picture of norms system until today. I don’t mean any disrespect when I say that it is one of the worst systems I have ever seen… correct me if I am wrong but it looks like you have an aluminum friction saver and an aluminum carabineer? Aluminum doesn’t hold up well in impacts against steel. Why not use a safety shackle? How do you get your spliced line with a eyelet in it thru the fs? What keeps the fs from coming off the shackle when the climbing line is not attached to it? There are many situations where the friction saver and or the carabineer could be subjected to all sorts of extreme abuses.
There are friction savers failing under normal conditions (I know just the ones without a load rating stamped on them). This isn’t a question of how long someone has used this system. Something like this is a failure is not an option component. Its just a mater of time before someone falls off a crane because their aluminum friction saver gets damaged or fatigued during operation and they don’t notice it.
For those of you who use this system, please inspect ever part of it before you tie into it ever pick, the last thing our industry needs is to have someone fall off a crane riding the ball because their attachment point fails.
I am sure this whole post is a huge waste of time, bull let me know today that this thread comes up 5 or 6 times a year.

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I'm just showing a pic of a system that has been approved. The krab is a Petzl Kador, steel double locking. If one doesn't like working off of a Buckingham Manufacturing aluminum ring FS, they can switch to steel rings. I personally like the heat dissipation aluminum offers. The spliced eye in the pic has a removable plastic thimble. If the climber wants to remove the climbing line from the FS, the thimble is easily removed and is pulled out of the FS. Some think it's gay, but it's approved.
 
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