Lateral Movement
- Thread starter Leroy
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Wouldn't lateral be the wrong direction?
- Location
- Springfield MO
I'm not the footlock police or anything but it really is for ascent only. Working off the prusik leaves you pretty exposed. Are you going over the opposable carabiners trick? That would allow lateral movement.
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- Retired in Minneapolis
I understand where Whiz is coming from...but, I have a different opinion 
If a hitch is used for ascent, not ascenders, then the climber should have a system that would allow lateral movement just like when they're tied into a DdRT system.
There are some simple precautions to take though. Simply taking both ropes and tying them into a slipped half hitch will make a stopper knot. For extra security a biner could be clipped into the loops then clipped up to the rope making a "sorta-marlinspike".
In competition the climber is only allowed to deviate off of a plumb-line by an agreed upon angle/distance.
If a hitch is used for ascent, not ascenders, then the climber should have a system that would allow lateral movement just like when they're tied into a DdRT system.
There are some simple precautions to take though. Simply taking both ropes and tying them into a slipped half hitch will make a stopper knot. For extra security a biner could be clipped into the loops then clipped up to the rope making a "sorta-marlinspike".
In competition the climber is only allowed to deviate off of a plumb-line by an agreed upon angle/distance.
- Location
- Columbus Ohio
Comps say no more than 2 feet I believe.
And pshhhh whatever whiz being all "I aint no footlock cop!"
And pshhhh whatever whiz being all "I aint no footlock cop!"
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- Randolph, MA
I've never heard of some rule that dictates lateral movement. I'd just say it's whatever the climber is comfortable with.
I'd suggest to them to only use it for access and probably leave lateral movement for setting a line or something up to the climber. Most of the time you're aiming for a tie in point that's at or near the place you set your access line anyway.
If they absolutely love to footlock tell them about SRT and the different devices they can use. 1:1 advantage and positioning to go with it. Maybe use it as a segue into the SRT talk you'll be giving next time.
I'd suggest to them to only use it for access and probably leave lateral movement for setting a line or something up to the climber. Most of the time you're aiming for a tie in point that's at or near the place you set your access line anyway.
If they absolutely love to footlock tell them about SRT and the different devices they can use. 1:1 advantage and positioning to go with it. Maybe use it as a segue into the SRT talk you'll be giving next time.
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- Columbus Ohio
Can't find anything to back this up, but have heard climbers use audibles such as "im making a lateral move blah blah blah no more than 2ft" etc. Am I trippin?
I think a footlock would be a great place to start, and hopefully they can see how practice can make it a valuable tool for the work environment. You could also demonstrate the added benefit of having that line available for a rescue situation, since the climber could chose to work off a separate line.
There may be some video examples to show them, along with your own demo.
I remember the first time I ever tried it. It was so difficult, I thought it was only for super heroes. Good instruction and dedication makes all the difference!
Best of luck with this!
As far as the technicalities, a comp will have a predetermined rule about lateral movement, and how much can be done without a 'spike' in the line. I think it's a good idea to spike low enough to make the lateral move, and have a lanyard long enough to secure and move, or toss and secure before a move (if that makes sense).
I also find that a klemheist will open for motion much easier than a 3 wrap prusik, however, the 3 wrap will grap more reliably if something happens during ascent.
Perhaps a good way to start is how climbers used to be evaluated for footlock competency...that is to have the climber do a single lock and hold position while opening the two legs of line and putting the body through. This is a good fundamental lesson in my opinion. It seems like a way for a climber to understand that it actually IS possible, before trying to link moves. Smoking the cigarette would be optional (RIGHT WHIZ!?)
There may be some video examples to show them, along with your own demo.
I remember the first time I ever tried it. It was so difficult, I thought it was only for super heroes. Good instruction and dedication makes all the difference!
Best of luck with this!
As far as the technicalities, a comp will have a predetermined rule about lateral movement, and how much can be done without a 'spike' in the line. I think it's a good idea to spike low enough to make the lateral move, and have a lanyard long enough to secure and move, or toss and secure before a move (if that makes sense).
I also find that a klemheist will open for motion much easier than a 3 wrap prusik, however, the 3 wrap will grap more reliably if something happens during ascent.
Perhaps a good way to start is how climbers used to be evaluated for footlock competency...that is to have the climber do a single lock and hold position while opening the two legs of line and putting the body through. This is a good fundamental lesson in my opinion. It seems like a way for a climber to understand that it actually IS possible, before trying to link moves. Smoking the cigarette would be optional (RIGHT WHIZ!?)
- Location
- Columbus Ohio
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Smoking the cigarette would be optional (RIGHT WHIZ!?)
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Or you could always adjust your hardhat. Orrrrrr, better yet EAT AN APPLE!
Smoking the cigarette would be optional (RIGHT WHIZ!?)
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Or you could always adjust your hardhat. Orrrrrr, better yet EAT AN APPLE!
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- Columbus Ohio
Two handed cigarette smoking would be wayyyy cooler though.
- Location
- Columbus Ohio
We were joshin' Whiz. This is still good training material. Evolution of SFL
