Largest tree in jersey.

Q: Say you're driving a blue boat on a red river. The passenger side rear tire pops. How many flapjacks does it take to reach the moon?












A: It doesn't matter, there are no bones in ice cream.
 
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How many flapjacks does it take to reach the moon?

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With all these math rigging specailist here I'm sure we can get an answer.



My formula might be off abit since I really don't use math for rigging.

{(Blue boat + red river) + pass rear tire pops} = (flapjacks = f) = F x 63,360" x 238,857 miles = reach the moon

so blue boat + red river = wife pmsing + tire pop = fat mother inlaw in back seat = flapjack with butter on top = 1 inch.

so 15133979520
 
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X I didn't realize you were looking to pick a fight, didn't figure you the type to waste your time on such trivial bullshite.

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Didn't you see that thread about topping a while back?



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sorry I do american math only.

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Its 'maths' not 'math'

'math' sounds like you got a lisp.

'mathematics' is naturally shortened to 'maths'
 
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sorry I do american math only.

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Its 'maths' not 'math'

'math' sounds like you got a lisp.

'mathematics' is naturally shortened to 'maths'

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Maybe in Scotland.
 
What is with majoring about minor stuff guys?
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And why is it being done publicly?

Marc did nothing wrong. His motives have been right all along.

Go ahead let the comments fly....
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I had this crazy idea last night and I thought I'd pass it by you guys and gals to see what you thought.

We get a variety of arborists from all walks of life from all over the world and start a website! We can use this website to talk about certain aspects of the job, maybe even catagorize our profession into something called threads. You know. We could talk about climbing in one and maybe rigging scenarios and such. You get the point. Then maybe we could add a picture program so that we can take pictures of our jobs and discuss the events that unfolded. Then the other arborists can chime in with there thoughtful and helpful advice that could possibly make the job easier for those posting later on down the line. That way everyone can learn and who knows, the advice could even help save a life or help someone earn an extra buck or two.

It's a crazy idea. But you know what. Maybe if there was a world class climber and an extremely knowledgeable and helpful climber/educator available to back up said website, then maybe it would work. Maybe...

Hey x, btw man. I'm flattered by your little tempertantrum. You yell like I've been in the biz 10+ years and seeing that I've only been climbing for 3 I take it as a compliment. Thanks buddy.

For all of those actually helping. Thank you. Keep on keepin on friends. It's good to see that most of y'all are smart enough to understand how this website works.
 
What your inexperience(your words)is blinding you too is the fact that negative feedback is what will keep you grounded, so to say for years to come. I didn't get that for a long time and many others who are probably too manly to admit feel the same way. I realize that this is frowned upon but really dude if you were right here in front of me I would simply say " Good job, nobody got hurt and nothing got broke. It was just another day at the office. Get ready for tomorrow." Anyone who stokes you for that job is doing more harm than good. I also had three years in the business like a lifetime ago. Had it not been for the guys that let me know how minor my achievements were my head would have been so big I may not have made it to four. I realize that many guys here feel like they have reached heights unknown to mortal men but this is simply not true. Until I left my hometown area I didn't know how awesome and truly "great" others were. Respond in kind because this is exactly how a chat site is supposed to work.
 
I agree cutten. Absolutely agree. I'm not the type to have an ego. It's just not me. I'm always eyes and ears open to the world. Have a suggestion about the job? Let me hear it. Fire away.

But I'm not getting suggestions about the job. I'm getting bullshite responses like "you know nothing about production climbing" and "I know you gave me advice but hearing you talk makes me feel like I waisted my time reading it"

Helpful to the job at hand? You tell me

My biggest question I've had since I started this thread was how big is too big with tulip poplar, especially in the cold (as far as rigging scenarios are concerned). I've spoken of my inexperience openly, never did I say that I'm "the manliest of men".

Again, my eyes and ears are always wide open. Teach me something. Don't try to belittle me and my work (x) I'm damn good at what I do and I work very hard to keep up. That's why I am where I am in the short time I've been climbing (that and a lot of help from my fellow buzzers)

If someone can do it better (and I'm sure they can) then look at my pictures I posted. Read what I said and tell me how to. I'll even work on your jobsite with you free of charge for the learning experience. I'm always open for education and dammit isn't that what this site is all about?

Now go ahead x, upper cut my keyboard and drop a peoples elbow on my mouse pad and keep this Internet fight going. You know what, better yet, if it ain't helpful keep your damn mouth shut. You've waisted enough of my time little man (im wondering if my total lack of respect now grants me yours)
 
Frankly mate I think you did a great job!

Looks like the Trees were surrounded by targets,the weather wasn't pleasent and the Species is not the most forgiving to Rigg from.

You say you have only been climbing for three years,that makes the job you did even more impressive!

Keep up the good work and submitting photos.

keep warm and climb safe!

Mike
 
In business it is important to know you're making progress or falling back. Affirmation of a job well done coupled with advice on how to improve or what not to do the next time keeps people motivated without building an over inflated self image. Sure, keep saying wow you're super, man will lead to that dangerous situation but to not acknowledge that someone has taken on and completed a task that was beyond there previous experience, that they took the risk of trying something new does far more for them then downplaying it as just another day at the office. That may be true for you the seasoned veteran but not for the new guy.

Marc, good job, as for how big you went that is hard to tell from the pics. Could you have gone bigger? That is something that you need to be watching for. How much movement was there at the rigging point? Did the piece clear the obstacles with more than enough room to spare? Were the groundies able to handle the piece easily around the obstacles and hazards? Where you talking with your crew about what they saw and how each piece felt for them? Was it pushing it to their limits? Could they clear away the brush quickly enough to be ready for the next piece or did it seem they were left standing around waiting? A removal should be crew intensive vs. climber intensive. In other words, they should be constantly busy while you're left at times waiting. Really you want a balance, they get the material cleared from the drop zone in time for you to start cutting the next piece.


A good climber doesn't overwhelm the crew with brush to the extent it becomes hazardous or ends up stopping the climber while the crew untangles the mess below. If you've got a large crew then you'll move faster, if you've got one guy on the ground then it makes sense to work at a slower pace.

Don't only ask yourself these questions but seek the answer while you're working.
 
The crew was working well but had a very hard time fighting down the tops I sent due to the rodies they needed to preserve and the building being so close and the fence there as well.

I noticed the stalk had a bit of an irregular sway to it (the stalk I was doing all of my heavy rigging from was the one I was standing in in my avitar) so I decided to go much smaller then I had previously anticipated.

I had wanted to go 10-15ft stalks at a clip because I thought the wood was much smaller in diameter then when I actually got into it. After the first 10ft piece was rigged with no tag line (I was using a tag line to slow the piece being rigged because I got tired of waiting for the pieces to stop swinging back and forth) I noticed that my rigging was holding up but I didn't feel comfortable with the wobble it displayed.

At this point I went 6 foot, no tag buy instead mouthed the pieces into my rigging stalk. There was a bit of side and back lean in the stalk I was removing so I had the crew utilize our grcs for full control. This (although it was much smaller in size) ended up moving us through the stalk quite well, now I didn't need to set a seperate anchor point for my tag line nor did I need to tie my tag line. Also, these pieces were a lot more easily managed on the ground by my crew (human crane can only move so much)

It started getting a little tricky once we got into a much larger diameter. I had just about doubled the diameter so I decided to stick with my comfort level of the weight I was rigging and stepped down my pieces to around 3-4 feet.

We moved well through the first stalk because we had a set rigging point, I slowed down a lot with my second stalk. Now that I had to ride the pole with every rig and it started to snow pretty good I decided to rig the entire pole out at 3-4ft. The diameter was slightly larger then the previous stalk.

I'm thinking that the only way to go faster was to rich down larger pieces on my last stalk, after seeing the excessive rot on my second to last cut I was happy I stuck with the sizes I ended up taking.

Btw, I didn't have the grcs come up for a visit this time like I did last year. Thanks guys for your remedy on that problem.
 
Marc, FWIW I agree that the site has become a little less than helpful at times. But i also agree that if we are only getting pats on the back it could lead to more danger in the future (ex: we go to big cause we thing we are doing such an incredible job and hurt ourselves or one of our men on the ground). I feel that some of the advise your looking for SHOULDNT be given by just looking at pictures. Only you the climber can tell the structure integrity of the tree. There lies your answers.

I'm right there with you at 3 years experience and i just as much as you, want to know how big can i go? What do i need to do to speed up the jobs? How can i be more productive and efficent?

But these answers come from experience. Either working with experienced climbers or gaining experience ourselves. I'm sure the best climbers out there will tell you that they didn't learn the how when were and why's over night it was a progressive thing that has to be learned even more so than it can be taught. I can go to all the seminars in the world listen to the best climbers ever but until i get up there and gain my own experience ill never truely learn.

I think you did a great job. I know from talking and climbing with you that you know what your doing. Don't let anyone tell you your not good enough or fast enough. They themselves are just one big headed blunder away from hurting themselves or someone else. Climb at your own ability and no one elses. Push your self to the edge but not over it. Good luck on up coming jobs my friend.
 
take educated risks. You learn something from watching or attending a seminar but it will only be valuable if you apply the learning. Derrick said it best, "push yourself to the edge but not over it."
 

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