I thought the Marines had already shipped Jr to California. Turns out they had his group in Albany,NY for a while and shipped them somewhere in Mass. and then flew them to a place, I think it's called 6 Palms, in California. He is supposed to start his desert training and is scheduled to go to Iraq in September.
Jr. is at 29 Palms
- Thread starter Kman
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- Location
- Grand Marais, MN
Re: Jr. is at 6 Palms
Does he want to go?
If not, there's resources to prevent it. If so, may he Godspeed back and safely.
Does he want to go?
If not, there's resources to prevent it. If so, may he Godspeed back and safely.
- Location
- Grand Marais, MN
Re: Jr. is at 6 Palms
Recruiters and the chain of command currently left as all the real soldier's left or were booted. It ain't his daddy's Corps no more and the honor of it is in serious question.
Recruiters and the chain of command currently left as all the real soldier's left or were booted. It ain't his daddy's Corps no more and the honor of it is in serious question.
- Location
- Suburb of Motown, U.S.A.
Re: Jr. is at 6 Palms
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They brainwash these young kids, he can't wait to get over there. I'm still pissed about the recruiters constantly being at the college drilling it in their heads to join. Recruiters are lower than used car salesman.
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The recruiters job is to sign recruits. End of story.
If they waited for every prospective recruit to walk in to their office, they'd have a fraction of what they need. They're good salesmen, I'll give you that. They don't even care whether the recruit can make it through the program, just that he signs on the line.
Congratulations on having a Marine for a son. I hope mine will choose that path when the time comes.
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They brainwash these young kids, he can't wait to get over there. I'm still pissed about the recruiters constantly being at the college drilling it in their heads to join. Recruiters are lower than used car salesman.
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The recruiters job is to sign recruits. End of story.
If they waited for every prospective recruit to walk in to their office, they'd have a fraction of what they need. They're good salesmen, I'll give you that. They don't even care whether the recruit can make it through the program, just that he signs on the line.
Congratulations on having a Marine for a son. I hope mine will choose that path when the time comes.
- Location
- Grand Marais, MN
Re: Jr. is at 6 Palms
Their job isn't as simple and black and white, sorry. What they do is bend rules, offer promises they can not deliver, paint a picture that more often than not isn't true, and lately have overlooked the guidelines that used to insure we got quality people enlisted.
It used to be an honor to serve, and still is the highest of such when it comes to the swinging dicks on your immediate left and your immediate right. However with StopLoss, failed promises for veterans, inadequate and lying leadership and pathetic training/equipment for counterinsurgency...there's more honor in refusing deployment to this particular war zone - as a USMC enlisted.
Brainwashing is brainwashing, whether it's a fundamentalist sect like Jonestown in French Guyana or being a teenager in a Taliban-run village.
Their job isn't as simple and black and white, sorry. What they do is bend rules, offer promises they can not deliver, paint a picture that more often than not isn't true, and lately have overlooked the guidelines that used to insure we got quality people enlisted.
It used to be an honor to serve, and still is the highest of such when it comes to the swinging dicks on your immediate left and your immediate right. However with StopLoss, failed promises for veterans, inadequate and lying leadership and pathetic training/equipment for counterinsurgency...there's more honor in refusing deployment to this particular war zone - as a USMC enlisted.
Brainwashing is brainwashing, whether it's a fundamentalist sect like Jonestown in French Guyana or being a teenager in a Taliban-run village.
Re: Jr. is at 6 Palms
It still is an honor to serve, numbnuts!
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It still is an honor to serve, numbnuts!
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- Location
- Suburb of Motown, U.S.A.
Re: Jr. is at 6 Palms
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Their job isn't as simple and black and white, sorry. What they do is bend rules, offer promises they can not deliver, paint a picture that more often than not isn't true, and lately have overlooked the guidelines that used to insure we got quality people enlisted.
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Don't get me wrong, I absolutely disapprove of unethical tactics of recruiters. Unfortunately, like any written contract, if it's not on the contract, it's not binding. They can promise glory all day long, but it's mostly just salesmanship.
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It used to be an honor to serve,
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Agree with MB. It <u>STILL IS</u> an honor to serve, numbnuts!
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with StopLoss, failed promises for veterans, inadequate and lying leadership and pathetic training/equipment for counterinsurgency...there's more honor in refusing deployment to this particular war zone - as a USMC enlisted.
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There's no honor in refusing a legal order. Those who do should be courtmartialed.
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Brainwashing is brainwashing,
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"Brainwashing" is simply a derrogatory term for what has always been standard boot camp procedure - break 'em down so that there's a clean slate on which to rebuild 'em as Marines.
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Their job isn't as simple and black and white, sorry. What they do is bend rules, offer promises they can not deliver, paint a picture that more often than not isn't true, and lately have overlooked the guidelines that used to insure we got quality people enlisted.
[/ QUOTE ]
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely disapprove of unethical tactics of recruiters. Unfortunately, like any written contract, if it's not on the contract, it's not binding. They can promise glory all day long, but it's mostly just salesmanship.
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It used to be an honor to serve,
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Agree with MB. It <u>STILL IS</u> an honor to serve, numbnuts!
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with StopLoss, failed promises for veterans, inadequate and lying leadership and pathetic training/equipment for counterinsurgency...there's more honor in refusing deployment to this particular war zone - as a USMC enlisted.
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There's no honor in refusing a legal order. Those who do should be courtmartialed.
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Brainwashing is brainwashing,
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"Brainwashing" is simply a derrogatory term for what has always been standard boot camp procedure - break 'em down so that there's a clean slate on which to rebuild 'em as Marines.
- Location
- Grand Marais, MN
Re: Jr. is at 6 Palms
"There's no honor in refusing a legal order. Those who do should be courtmartialed."
Tell the Marines who signed enlistment for four/six and are forced to do seven/nine that.
Honor in just serving. Enough young men have heard that crap and continue to find it a choice based on economic necessity instead of 'serving' just exactly what? A lying corrupt administration? Failed military command structures?
Defaults on contracts for post-service health care? Taking part in violating Geneva principles and binding agreements against the use of White phosphorous on the entire city of Fallujah then command structures up to the top lying about it? Dishonorable actions do not make honor by following orders, ask any Americal Division survivor.
Brainwashing is coursework that still claims Bay of Tonkin happened, we're winning in Iraq, and Al Qeada is almost defeated. The same process Rev. Jimmy Jones used to get hundreds of his believers to drink arsenic-laced KoolAid, no difference.
No, there ain't no more honor in following orders to perform illegal actions, in spite of the glorious yet often questionable deployments of our U.S. Marine Corps in it's over 2 hundred year history.
This veteran has found peace and justice by honoring and fighting for those who were used and then thrown away, not the ones who continue to serve without at least working to correct the past abuses and fixing them before any more foreign actions based on lies especially, are started and continue years after everything comes to light that profits and oil are the prize not worth sending young Marines into harm's way.
To say they are protecting America in this boondoggle is brainwashing in it's most accurate definition.
"There's no honor in refusing a legal order. Those who do should be courtmartialed."
Tell the Marines who signed enlistment for four/six and are forced to do seven/nine that.
Honor in just serving. Enough young men have heard that crap and continue to find it a choice based on economic necessity instead of 'serving' just exactly what? A lying corrupt administration? Failed military command structures?
Defaults on contracts for post-service health care? Taking part in violating Geneva principles and binding agreements against the use of White phosphorous on the entire city of Fallujah then command structures up to the top lying about it? Dishonorable actions do not make honor by following orders, ask any Americal Division survivor.
Brainwashing is coursework that still claims Bay of Tonkin happened, we're winning in Iraq, and Al Qeada is almost defeated. The same process Rev. Jimmy Jones used to get hundreds of his believers to drink arsenic-laced KoolAid, no difference.
No, there ain't no more honor in following orders to perform illegal actions, in spite of the glorious yet often questionable deployments of our U.S. Marine Corps in it's over 2 hundred year history.
This veteran has found peace and justice by honoring and fighting for those who were used and then thrown away, not the ones who continue to serve without at least working to correct the past abuses and fixing them before any more foreign actions based on lies especially, are started and continue years after everything comes to light that profits and oil are the prize not worth sending young Marines into harm's way.
To say they are protecting America in this boondoggle is brainwashing in it's most accurate definition.
TC
Participating member
Re: Jr. is at 6 Palms
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boondoggle
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Oakwilt, what is the origin of this word?
EDIT
Its ok, found out -
BOONDOGGLE
An unnecessary or wasteful project.
This typically North American term is often applied in two specific ways, either to describe work of little or no value done merely to appear busy, or in reference to a government-funded project with no purpose other than political patronage. It can also be used for an unnecessary journey by a government official at public expense.
Part of its oddity lies in its sudden emergence into public view in an article in the New York Times on 4 April 1935. This had the headline “$3,187,000 Relief is Spent to Teach Jobless to Play ... Boon Doggles Made”. The “boon doggles” of the headline turn out to be small items of leather, rope and canvas, which were being crafted by the jobless during the Great Depression as a form of make-work. The article quoted a person who taught the unemployed to create them that the word was “simply a term applied back in the pioneer days to what we call gadgets today”. He suggested that boondoggles had been small items of leatherwork which were made by cowboys on idle days as decorations for their saddles.
Thanks Oakwilt for introducing me to a new word.
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boondoggle
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Oakwilt, what is the origin of this word?
EDIT
Its ok, found out -
BOONDOGGLE
An unnecessary or wasteful project.
This typically North American term is often applied in two specific ways, either to describe work of little or no value done merely to appear busy, or in reference to a government-funded project with no purpose other than political patronage. It can also be used for an unnecessary journey by a government official at public expense.
Part of its oddity lies in its sudden emergence into public view in an article in the New York Times on 4 April 1935. This had the headline “$3,187,000 Relief is Spent to Teach Jobless to Play ... Boon Doggles Made”. The “boon doggles” of the headline turn out to be small items of leather, rope and canvas, which were being crafted by the jobless during the Great Depression as a form of make-work. The article quoted a person who taught the unemployed to create them that the word was “simply a term applied back in the pioneer days to what we call gadgets today”. He suggested that boondoggles had been small items of leatherwork which were made by cowboys on idle days as decorations for their saddles.
Thanks Oakwilt for introducing me to a new word.
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