Johnny Pro

Levi.CO said:
Another story I like- Mankind is a product of genetic suppression of our ancestors, the Nephlim, giant men with "super powers" After loosing a war to the Jinn, who came from a planet which is now the asteroid belt. Our primary function now is to harvest Gold and other precious metals from the planet.
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See, these are the kind of crackpot ideas I can get behind, because they are still presented in a thoughtful, ordered manner. And I love me some sci fi too. That's where John loses my interest is the lack of sci fi in his line of bullshit. Even Scientology is more interesting than he Pro-gram he is putting forth
 
macswan said:
See, these are the kind of crackpot ideas I can get behind, because they are still presented in a thoughtful, ordered manner. And I love me some sci fi too. That's where John loses my interest is the lack of sci fi in his line of bullshit. Even Scientology is more interesting than he Pro-gram he is putting forth
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They just make so much more sense then religion, evidence seems stronger too...
 
Shiny, soft, easy to work, low melting point, doesn't corrode... nice stuff for making jewelry and other artistic endeavors. Still, it does seem odd that people would make such a big deal out of it. If they were half as interested in seeing a cure for cancer...
 
Levi.CO said:
Why have people lusted for gold for so long? What is the real value of gold? It has interesting and unique properties that are very useful to individuals building computers and space crafts but, did King Solomon make computer chips?
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Michael Tellinger?

I mentioned it in my post a bit...
http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/threads/climbers-for-satan.30092/

Johnny ain't got nothing on me...I just know when not to speak....most of the time.
 
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macswan said:
See, these are the kind of crackpot ideas I can get behind, because they are still presented in a thoughtful, ordered manner. And I love me some sci fi too. That's where John loses my interest is the lack of sci fi in his line of bullshit. Even Scientology is more interesting than he Pro-gram he is putting forth
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Why are you still reading and responding to this shit then? Opportunity for another punchline?
 
Levi.CO said:
Why have people lusted for gold for so long? What is the real value of gold? It has interesting and unique properties that are very useful to individuals building computers and space crafts but, did King Solomon make computer chips?
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JeffGu said:
Shiny, soft, easy to work, low melting point, doesn't corrode... nice stuff for making jewelry and other artistic endeavors. Still, it does seem odd that people would make such a big deal out of it. If they were half as interested in seeing a cure for cancer...
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Besides being shiny, soft, easy to manipulate, and its lack of corrosion....it's a precious metal, that isn't very abundant in our world. Oh yeah, and it makes the flyest grills yo.
 
Levi.CO said:
What makes it precious?
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It's rarity. Gold has uses....for sure, but how essential are these uses compared to other elements? A good quote from:

A Course in Miracles -

"Consider the alchemist's age-old attempts to turn base metal into gold. The one question which the alchemist did not permit himself to ask was, "What for?" He could not ask this because it would immediately become apparent that there was no sense in his efforts even if he succeeded. If gold became more plentiful, its value would decrease, and his own purpose would be defeated."
 
Levi.CO said:
Well it certainly is not precious to me. and yes Will i did take chemistry, i get it in a conventional sense. You seem to be missing the point. Can you eat it? Does it keep you warm? Why did Columbus exterminate an entire race of people in it's pursuit? For a nice grill piece?
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No, I get it. I just wasn't sure if you knew the definition, based on your question. No probs. Grill piece? Many have died over a slammin' grill :) Not just by Columbus....
 
Levi.CO said:
Oh so true, many a ghetto warrior has fallen for lust of the grill or chain.

Really though Will, don't you find it an interesting concept? The lust for gold? When Europeans first made contact with the natives in this area they were overt in their quest for gold "where is it?" they asked "Everywhere" said chief Niwot and the natives laughed at the white man, gold was of no use to them. At that time there were gold nuggets lying in the creek beds.
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I do find it an interesting topic. I think you'd have to do a bunch historical digging, and come up with your own answer, based on the results.

Here's some interesting facts though (from here - http://www.benbest.com/polecon/monetary.html):

"Durability, divisibility, malleability, portability, recognizability, availability and a high value-to-weight ratio are important qualities which make metals useful as money. All metals are lustrous in a vacuum, but become tarnished (or ignite) when exposed to oxygen in the atmosphere. Metals resistant to oxidation are easily purified — and the value of the pure metal can be determined from a single, easily-measure quantity: weight. The metals most resistant to oxidation & acid are gold, platinum, mercury and silver, in that order — making these four the most durable of all metals. Platinum was rare in ancient times, and mercury is unsuitable for coins. For most of the history of western civilization (and from the 14th century in India), silver rather than gold has been the principal metallic monetary commodity.

Ancient Egyptians used standardized gold bars for currency. Gold rings served as both jewelry & currency throughout the ancient Near East. The world's first coins were reputedly produced in Lydia, an inland nation of what is now western Turkey, with its capital at Sardis on the Hermus (now called Gediz) river — east of Smyrna (now Izmir). The first Lydian coins were bean-shaped lumps of electrum (gold-silver alloy), stamped to certify quality rather than weight (due to their irregular shape & size). Croesus, the famously wealthy last king of Lydia from 560-546 B.C., succeeded in conquering the Greeks on the west coast of Asia Minor, but was himself ultimately defeated by the Persians from the east. During his reign, however, he was able to establish the world's first imperial currency — and the first bimetallic monetary system. Withdrawing all electrum coins from circulation, he issued coins of pure gold & silver carefully minted to be of uniform size & weight — and imprinted to indicate value. Bronze coins were introduced in Athens in the fifth century BC.

If the value of the metal in the coins exceeded the stated value of the coins they would quickly be melted-down (though no discrepancy could exist if the value were simply stated as the quantity of metal). Coins produced by honest private & government sources contained slightly less gold or silver than the stated content to cover the costs of minting. The difference between the stated value of the coin and the metal value is known as seignorage, the profit of the minter. The seignorage from minting token coins and fiat paper currency is very large."



I just love overcoming the educational problems I brought on myself in prior years. All I cared about was partying, girls, and rock n roll when I was in high school. Chemistry class definitely fell by the wayside :) But now I love learning learning learning....
 
Levi.CO said:
Interesting stuff there. I still do not understand why people would move away from communal living or barter systems to engage in the metal swaping. I don't see how people in 560 BC would see a value in these metals. Like I said, it's not like you can eat it. It is interesting to learn about though.
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The takers started to control the givers?

Also...where has all the gold gone?
There is a lot missing.
 
The taker knew that a new world of gold and glamour would bring something to strive for in a world that once tried to convince the taker that there is nothing out beyond what is. A decision based off of ones own life to die or survive leaving the taker no choice but to be the taker.
 
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