It's time for a change

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Re: It\'s time for a change

it isn't even just a figure eight below it could be a stitch plate made with a carabiner and the d ring on the leg strap of a TM. you could move the figure eight to above the hitch as most rescue books recommend and it still would be ok. but put the rope wrench into the same configuration and it is a no go. Makes you think doesn't it. Are climbers that compete allowed to sit on rules committees at the international level?
 
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If there is communication with ISA be sure to frame your comments in SRT-talk not in just being able to use a specific SRT tool or system.

At one time I looked at the ITCC as the place to learn new techniques. Climbers would bring the tricks and tools that they developed or learned from people. The comp team would assess them and if they were approved, we'd see them in the climb. Between scoring the climbers, judges, techs and attendees would be asking questions and taking pictures. In the days after the comps people would return home and share those innovations with other climbers. Like a virus knowledge would spread.

Over the years this innovation sharing has been replaced by the Internet. To me, the relevancy of the ISA/ITCC comps to innovation has faded. This is a shame I think. There's really no reason to exclude innovation now since it wasn't in the past.
 
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Yes, I agree the fight is for all SRTWP to be "legal", but one has to pick a battle and the battle line is this one right now as a variation of this has been used in an ITCC (Rhode Island) and was approved by the ITCC rules committee at that time. when Kevin stumbled on the wooden wrench then designing the steel model and seeing what Kevin could do (as he dominated competition after competition with the wrench) the real potential of the tool. The wrench and all SRTWP was disqualified from competition except on a petzel RIG. This need for a Certified system is nuts. The only certified tree climbing system is the CE Climb from trefulberger...... Everything else sold or used in competition is use at your own risk and to your own design. The hypocrisy is alarming.
 
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I'm all for single line at the comp. maybe it's just me, but the only time I ever footlock is a week before the comp. just so I don't totally embarrass myself. At work its single line ascent every time
 
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I agree with Mike Powers on this one. Have you assembled an online or any sort of petition. Or brought all this to or got involved on the tcc board or committee, etc.?

Correct me if I'm wrong about your tcc but around here you have to send in your entry in a very small window and more people apply then they can take so they will still fill there quota even with out you there.

So I think start a petition backed with stacks and stacks of undisputed facts that they require. I saw some good work on here and I bet more is out there. So forget being the squeaky wheel that gets the grease and just take it to them. Find some one on there committee and just nicely push push push until you find a good update ground for everyone.

That's what I think anyways
 
Re: It\'s time for a change

Jeff,

Being an outsider and never having attended the Tree Climbing Comps, can you explain the objection of the committee ?

Is this a case of holding onto tradition ? Are the Comps a place to have fun and do some chest beating ? Is this a venue to showcase new technology ?

I understand the foot lock challenge is part of tradition. Is there also room at the event to embrace new methods and technology changes ? Is this somehow in conflict with the intent of the event ?

Perhaps, you can present statistics how many arborists now use SRT everyday and suggest equal representation ???

Just my .02

-Michael
 
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I agree with Mike Powers on this one. Have you assembled an online or any sort of petition. Or brought all this to or got involved on the tcc board or committee, etc.?

Correct me if I'm wrong about your tcc but around here you have to send in your entry in a very small window and more people apply then they can take so they will still fill there quota even with out you there.

So I think start a petition backed with stacks and stacks of undisputed facts that they require. I saw some good work on here and I bet more is out there. So forget being the squeaky wheel that gets the grease and just take it to them. Find some one on there committee and just nicely push push push until you find a good update ground for everyone.

That's what I think anyways

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Where have you been the past few years? This isn't a new battle. Petitions and documents have been filed aplenty Kevin and Rich H have jump through a treemendous amour of hoops and still no positive results. I will start a new one though, just for you.
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. I will post a link to this petition and this thread all over the internet. I ask all of you to do the same. We need votes and voices
 
Re: It\'s time for a change

Sorry about that. I'm fairly new to srt so I apologize for not being up to date and keep up the hard work I'm sure it will pay off.
 
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for you guys trolling this thread and not replying: please vote. if you don't have an account. register and then vote. we need voices and opinions. thanks
 
Re: It\'s time for a change

Fair enough Kevin. Personally I would love to be able to rock my wrench at comps. I'm not even a big comp guy, but I think it matters.

I love it when comps serve (or used to serve) as an exhibition for the latest techniques. Lots of guys who would never seek out the information on their own learned that way.

I climbed on a wrench at the recent Taranaki Open and lots of guys came up to me afterward asking about the technique. They'd never seen it before. Multiply this by all the sanctioned TCCs out there and I think a petition is well worth the time. You'll probably sell a crapload of wrenches too!

IMO the best way to get the ISA's attention is to include our certified arb numbers and our real names on a proper, verifiable petition. Let them know that this is an issue that their constituency cares about and I bet things will happen.
 
Re: It\'s time for a change

so i decided to try SRTWP with a rope wrench i borrowed from a friend. I like it. Its different. tending slack is quicker i work a tree with a lot of redirects anyway so for me the difference was the consistent friction at the hitch. I need to work on my accent system, but for a first time i don't think it was to bad. the tree i climbed today with the RW was nothing new to me as we canopy clean this tree yearly. it really isn't much of a work out nor does it normally take me longer than two hours. today it took an hour and fifteen minutes there really isn't a great TIP so the RW get a redirect work out. It was really different to have consistent friction no matter how hard the rope ran against a branch. So now i really don't understand the whole: We are against everything RW by the ITCC rules committee. Its ridiculous. I bet all of those who vote against it have never even tried it. i tried to get the RW to fail on me today, but it didn't. For now i'm going to be SRTIng the Sh_t out of it
 
Re: It\'s time for a change

In trying to prepare to climb Ddrt at the ne comp. I attempted to climb a pine removal in that fashion today. And it was awful. I made it ten minutes before I had my groundie send my wrench.
 
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