Is suicide morally acceptable?

[evo]

I'm sorry for the hardships you've endured throughout life. Really I am. I'm not judging anyone. I respect your reasoning. I'm only following the morals breed into me as I was raised. And it's just the way I was raised .... to never give in. Was always taught suicide is not an option. I was definitely off key when I touched on euthanasia. I didn't mean for "selfish" to follow euthanasia.
Selfish is when it's committed for an easy out, for a temporary problem. I don't agree with euthanasia, but I don't condemn anyone who chooses. I understand ...... it's their life and their choice. Damn straight. Do I think it morally correct .... no ..... but that's just my opinion. The morals bred into me. Again I'm sorry to hear about the hardships that anyone has been through. I know I've had my share.

Oakwilt you can color me brain dead if you'd like ..... isn't going to effect me one iota.
I'm far from stupid.

I didn’t take anything personal. As hard as it was I don’t regret it at all. My dad and I had a very tight relationship as we were very aware the clock was ticking and didn’t know when the alarm would sound off. I credit the richness we shared not the pain

 

[Timbertree1406]

Wtf. Make it cleaner? Don't even justify suicide as a viable decision. Leave religion out of it too. Life is valuable and can always turn around for the better. It just starts with a positive attitude. I'm sure this is rooted in hardship and I'm sorry about that, but put your mind to work investigating solutions not ultimatums.

 

[evo]

I'm writing in the rain. A storm actually. On foot, a mile from home. Lightning and ozone. Taking it in.

There is real out there. We need to grasp it where and when we can.

Not meaning for anyone to disrupt their day, but sometimes we need it. The Lawyer Cohen illustrates the filth we've accepted, the damage way done.

Do we want that seriously? Is skin color or religion that important? The "drive to achieve"? To win?

Not today. But please try it soon.

More of us need our disrupted

 

[evo]

Wtf. Make it cleaner? Don't even justify suicide as a viable decision. Leave religion out of it too. Life is valuable and can always turn around for the better. It just starts with a positive attitude. I'm sure this is rooted in hardship and I'm sorry about that, but put your mind to work investigating solutions not ultimatums.

How about we leave others personal decisions to themselves. Sure people are blowing their heads off, but there is so much more to it. No need for blanket rules or laws. Just accept it, there is no blanket judgement for every situation.
Is drinking ones self into liver failure suicide? Smoking? Drunk driving?
Who’s shit doesn’t stink enough to make blanket judgements for the morals of others?

 

[oakwilt]

"Credit the richness we shared rather than the pain".

That's what I'm talking about too.

 

[Timbertree1406]

How about we leave others personal decisions to themselves. Sure people are blowing their heads off, but there is so much more to it. No need for blanket rules or laws. Just accept it, there is no blanket judgement for every situation.
Is drinking ones self into liver failure suicide? Smoking? Drunk driving?
Who’s shit doesn’t stink enough to make blanket judgements for the morals of others?

My shit definitely stinks, don't get me wrong. Life can feel unbearable at times, absolutely. However, the moral consequences of suicide have no effect on the person struggling with the decision. Morals cease to exist once the act is carried out. I do agree, though, that it is morally wrong to judge someone based on their feelings through hardships.

This is a topic close to me, and I have seen a handful of outcomes. My experiences with those individuals have ranged from leaving everything and everyone and starting a new life, to leaving everything and everyone without life. I do not wish the latter for anyone. I have seen success in taking a break from the shit that is life sometimes, and experiencing what else is out there. We're tree guys after all, and taking a step back to appreciate the peace nature can bring is worth a try.

 

[96coal449]

@oakwilt I wish you well, my friend. I do with all sincerity. I logged on for a bit earlier but had to cut out .... I just don't have the time I used to lately. Seems as I'm always on the move without the time for myself i used to have. Hence the my absence from the forum in recent months. My second post in this thread was actually meant for @JD3000. It was my condolences towards himself, his sister, and her kids. Absolutely horrible. JD and myself seem a bit at odds, as of lately. Am I kissing ass? Not at all. Just how I feel about his post. It fuckin sucks ..... period. @evo it's all good .... a little miss posting on my part. When I think more about it, I don't classify that as a suicide .... euthanasia. If I'm correct that falls under the title of a "mercy killing." A term not much spoken of.

To all I apologize for rushing through some of my posts. I'm always trying to do to much at once, with to limited time. All I want for us .... "We the people" ......to be "United we stand."
We are all brothers here of the human race. We once were divided, to the extent we are now, in 1860. I hope, for once, history does not repeat itself.

Be well, to all ......

 

[oakwilt]

Thank you. All of you.
We've trudged onward...not necessarily upward. Hopefully we learn. Many wild times, often simply the human condition. Relationships, individual prejudices, phenomenal experiences, some fun times too. Anger the growing normal, population pressures, engineered stresses..oil. All of it. We endured.
To get ahead of what someone else's desires are. To stake claims on things that are not us. We can firebomb a village to clear way for more control and ignore consequence. Biblical or otherwise. Time to write a new book, the old one's completely irrevelent.
Just feel compassion and understanding. It's pretty much all we can glue to. Make amends and reach out. Repair, restore, fix. A level higher, an obligation. Or not.
Please stay safe. Do it right. The love can be felt and it's contagious.

 

[Alcoley]

Just another journey.

I feel the necessity of change however. This system is in arrears, the hate is spreading, and principles are guiding us instead of the other way around.

Im reminded of the nose-ringed bull. Fear and threats. Lack of progress and true human meaning. It isn't. It can be.

Potential comes to mind.

I'm doing the surgery without anesthesia. Golf-ball location at the motor skills and logic/reason. There are several sites, ignored for now, but responsive if I choose to be. It is delayed progression by radiation exposures and trace phenoxy residuals. Herbicides and nuclear physics. Avoidable but I've guinea pigged thru science. Now alternatives exist because science permits and trump's economies. Our culture.

How did the surgery go brother? I really hope all is well with you and your family. I'm sorry I'm just now replying. I just saw this post.

 

[Nish]

The wrongness of suicide and most of its terribleness, when it is wrong and terrible, is entirely about its effects others, particularly to those close to you or dependent upon you. A life that's well-worth living has mostly to do with your unique, or hard-to-substitute, ongoing and future contributions and involvements, especially to/in the lives of others. It is usually easy to find your life well worth living if you have kids or dependents.

 

[evo]

RIP Friend whom I've never met, hope you rest easy in what ever afterlife you prefer.

 

[Jonny]

Given my family history, I’m pretty sure there’s some cancer in my future. After watching my Mom lose the fight I decided I wouldn’t let it progress so far for myself, if it’s in the cards. I’m sparing the details, but if you’ve ever stood beside someone that kept fighting cancer long after all hope was lost and it has spread to the brain, maybe you can understand my thinking.

I’ve stashed away 2 bundles of heroin that in all likelihood is rich in fentanyl. 20 bags, over a full gram. More than enough to bow out peacefully with zero pain. Probably enough to put down a Clydesdale.

Is that really fucked? Am I the only one with an exit plan? Strictly in case of a life of pain with nothing to look forward to but more pain. I fully intend to put up as much of a fight as I and the docs can muster.

 

[SomethingWitty]

Given my family history, I’m pretty sure there’s some cancer in my future. After watching my Mom lose the fight I decided I wouldn’t let it progress so far for myself, if it’s in the cards. I’m sparing the details, but if you’ve ever stood beside someone that kept fighting cancer long after all hope was lost and it has spread to the brain, maybe you can understand my thinking.

I’ve stashed away 2 bundles of heroin that in all likelihood is rich in fentanyl. 20 bags, over a full gram. More than enough to bow out peacefully with zero pain. Probably enough to put down a Clydesdale.

Is that really fucked? Am I the only one with an exit plan? Strictly in case of a life of pain with nothing to look forward to but more pain. I fully intend to put up as much of a fight as I and the docs can muster.

I'd rather have a plane ticket worth of cash stashed and go do something exciting. Jump from a tall place in europe... kill some Somali pirates.... something.

 

[Serf Life]

I'd rather have a plane ticket worth of cash stashed and go do something exciting. Jump from a tall place in europe... kill some Somali pirates.... something.

Get where you are coming from, those are some wicked different things though. The thought of killing poor ignorant people never tripped my trigger. Fly to Africa to take out some replacable goons because it's easy? Think big, perhaps more positive.

 

[evo]

Given my family history, I’m pretty sure there’s some cancer in my future. After watching my Mom lose the fight I decided I wouldn’t let it progress so far for myself, if it’s in the cards. I’m sparing the details, but if you’ve ever stood beside someone that kept fighting cancer long after all hope was lost and it has spread to the brain, maybe you can understand my thinking.

I’ve stashed away 2 bundles of heroin that in all likelihood is rich in fentanyl. 20 bags, over a full gram. More than enough to bow out peacefully with zero pain. Probably enough to put down a Clydesdale.

Is that really fucked? Am I the only one with an exit plan? Strictly in case of a life of pain with nothing to look forward to but more pain. I fully intend to put up as much of a fight as I and the docs can muster.

It’s your choice.
As I mentioned before I lost my father and most of my childhood and teen years to the cancer fight.
While it was very hard on me as well as him I’m very grateful he fought so hard and long. I got to know him and we shared a deep love through all the pain. It was that love which literally saved my life.
I don’t know if the last weeks of his life was a a choice to go out or if it was “natural”. The end result is the same, just the timeline was the variable. There is a line and it’s a personal choice, but I’m glad he stuck around through the pain and suffering for our relationship as long as he did, the alternative would have been much worse on me.

 

[Jonny]

Easy to say now, right?

Who knows? If and when the time comes I might savor every minute left regardless of pain. Just keeping my options open. It took my mom pretty young.
I reckon nobody is gonna be in a fisticuffs mood after months or years of chemo or rad therapy, but again, who can say with any certainty?

 

[SomethingWitty]

Get where you are coming from, those are some wicked different things though. The thought of killing poor ignorant people never tripped my trigger. Fly to Africa to take out some replacable goons because it's easy? Think big, perhaps more positive.

I think "positive ways to throw your life away" deserves it's own thread.
My point was just that a peaceful OD is the opposite of going out with a bang, and the examples were quick thoughts without the sort of premeditation that would naturally come with a "if the time comes" stash.

 

[SomethingWitty]

Easy to say now, right?

Who knows? If and when the time comes I might savor every minute left regardless of pain. Just keeping my options open. It took my mom pretty young.
I reckon nobody is gonna be in a fisticuffs mood after months or years of chemo or rad therapy, but again, who can say with any certainty?

It's all fair. I have no idea what I would do, myself. Hopefully I never find out.

 

[Serf Life]

I think "positive ways to throw your life away" deserves it's own thread.
My point was just that a peaceful OD is the opposite of going out with a bang, and the examples were quick thoughts without the sort of premeditation that would naturally come with a "if the time comes" stash.

I hear ya. Just knee jerk reaction after a couple drinks 'supose. For me I'd do a rapist-rampage (not enough tree fertilizer out there, crabs gotta eat too), or a HALO jump without the "opening" part.

 

[Jonny]

, or a HALO jump without the "opening" part.

Gotta do it while wearing a Superman costume