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ATH said:
Maybe as they move away from pear, we'll see more options? (I know, wishful thinking...more likely just more A. freemanii). the growers are responding to demand - growing what sells. Were you at the Ohio Tree Care Conference last time it was at Kalahari? Landscape architect with a laundry list of awards for landscape design recommending honey locust, pear, and Norway maple...:tonto:
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I missed it even though I have family in Huron. Bummer.

Don't get me started on LAs and plant selection man...

Dr. Ball gave a great talk on species diversity here a couple seasons back.

Freeman maples...ahhhhhhhhh!!!!!
 
JD3000 said:
Finding enough diverse genera and families is the problem.

We have a strong grower industry here but finding significant amounts of more rare plants is the challenge. Contracting a grower years in advance is the way to go if you want more urban diversity
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If we could get the growers to only grow x amount of the normal over populated species and more of others would it help?

If each grower could only be allowed to sell 100 Norway maples per year they’d find a way to market everything else. Supply and demand in reverse put an inflated cost on fewer Norway’s and start selling hackberry and Katsura on the cheaper end in bigger numbers and they’d move.

He who holds the purse strings makes the calls. Why do you think we have monoculture situations? Because of good Arboricultural practices and professionalism. Can we make the supply curb the demand?
 
They grow what is selling man. Would require a huge paradigm shift to make a difference. Mostly on the design and install side for sure but it would be a major change.

For every James Urban there's a dozen Bobby McNippletweaks.
 
Those Norway maples aren't being planted en masse by (responsible) Arborists... It is the "landscape" contractors who mow install patios and plant trees too; homeowners asking for them, LAs specifying them, etc...
 
Around here I’m so sick of apples. There was a published report, that in King country more trees are being planted than ever, and they are all dwarf apple!! I’m not exactly in king but where I’m at all people are really doing is feeding deer. You see a dozen at a time standing on their hind legs to get every thing they can. Sure folks might make a pie or four, eat a apple every day while they are ripe but crap man I see millions of apples going just to deer. To top it off the only predator deer have on this lump of glacial till is the beastly car, or truck.
But on point I’ve heard from my nursery time and time again that they only but what sells. I tell them that I will recommend species that they don’t carry, which I do. Then my customers can’t find the tree I recommend! No oaks, and every thing else!
 
evo said:
... But on point I’ve heard from my nursery time and time again that they only but what sells. I tell them that I will recommend species that they don’t carry, which I do. Then my customers can’t find the tree I recommend!...
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It is the same here. We recommend many trees that would do well here and clients get really excited about planting them but they are nowhere to be found. These are trees that should be available but are not.
On another note. You can not build the inherent strength into a forest that diversity offers by using clones.
 
When I lived on Vancouver Island the bad one was Scotch Broom! That shit has taken over the entire southern end of the island. It has caused a huge outbreak of wild domestic rabbits! It's like a virus there.
 
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ATH said:
Those Norway maples aren't being planted en masse by (responsible) Arborists... It is the "landscape" contractors who mow install patios and plant trees too; homeowners asking for them, LAs specifying them, etc...
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My friend and I were talking about her Norway Maple just today, she said that thing is a seedling monster! There are new trees scattered all through the bush!
 
evo said:
The Olympic National Forest... The last of the last, everything from coastal to alpine.
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There is a patch of old growth about 10 miles as the crow flies from my place. The trees are very old and very large. The trek in is brutal and the devils club is 15 feet tall in spots. We used to shake wood log with helis in parts of it. Not many know of it's existence, maybe a few hundred acres at best. You can tell an old growth stand because the under story is mostly moss, no bushes or small trees, not a whole lot for ungulates to eat or rabbits to hide in. Very open with lots of shade, hence the devils club. You guys have any experience with the devils weed? Nasty shit! Don't get any on ya!
 
Stephen Moore said:
There is a patch of old growth about 10 miles as the crow flies from my place. The trees are very old and very large. The trek in is brutal and the devils club is 15 feet tall in spots. We used to shake wood log with helis in parts of it. Not many know of it's existence, maybe a few hundred acres at best. You can tell an old growth stand because the under story is mostly moss, no bushes or small trees, not a whole lot for ungulates to eat or rabbits to hide in. Very open with lots of shade, hence the devils club. You guys have any experience with the devils weed? Nasty shit! Don't get any on ya!
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Oh I know devils club! All too well but we don’t have it here, it’s up in the mountains at about 3000’. :bailando: Highest elevation here is just under 400’, it’s a odd micro climate, and till soils. No birch, ash, vine maple, Rocky Mountain maple, true fir (other than grand), no shore pine (few pockets of lodge pole.. we do have Garry oak, cedar (red), hemlock, red alder, Doug fir, and hemlock.
Nettles, ocean spray, salmon berries, blackberry, nettles, no poison oak or ivy though
 
Stephen Moore said:
When I lived on Vancouver Island the bad one was Scotch Broom! That shit has taken over the entire southern end of the island. It has caused a huge outbreak of wild domestic rabbits! It's like a virus there.
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Got the same here. The county fairgrounds would do a livestock round up with all the kiddies. Basically circleing the kids up around the arena and release 50 or so baby animals. Rabbits, goats, pigglets, sheep, etc. The kids brought home what ever they caught, guess what escaped capture 8 times out of 10! Bunnies!
To the extent city hall was having meetings if they should eradicate or not. Elmer Fudd and bunny costumes were the theme for that halloween. It was quite the controversy in town, and it was decided to do nothing (much like everything else).

I should add that this wasn’t long long ago, just 20 years or so..
 
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