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Daniel said:
And here is my super secret cut...

20"+front leaning top, stone dead falling apart ash... cut made from the hooks in 30 seconds, and released with a push of the hands... you won't find that in a book either

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I understand you wanting to educate people in this industry andI applaud you for that. However, why would you recognize and call out how hazardous this tree was and not tie in to the tree right next to it?
 
TreeVB said:
I understand you wanting to educate people in this industry andI applaud you for that. However, why would you recognize and call out how hazardous this tree was and not tie in to the tree right next to it?
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I've been in this business since 1982... Do you really think I wouldn't have tied into the nearby tree if it was an option???? You can't make that call from a video monitor. NFW to make that work... I don't remember a lot of details from jobs in 2010, but I remember that!
 
Ive had the misfortune of learning the hard way about push back on pondarosa pines! I had to duck behind a stump while tied in about 10 feet up! Kinda spooked me a bit given the 4 foot diameter and all! I have never repeated that technique.
 
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Stephen Moore said:
Ive had the misfortune of learning the hard way about push back on pondarosa pines! I had to duck behind a stump while tied in about 10 feet up! Kinda spooked me a bit given the 4 foot diameter and all! I have never repeated that technique.
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That's where dialing in your falling skills comes in.. You have to know that tree is only going down and away before you make such cuts from the hooks.. There is no where to run.

It's the cut ... not the species... humboldts with a couple inches of stump shot will generally keep you safe, if the tree looks like its going to brush or hang up in another tree.
 
Daniel said:
That's where dialing in your falling skills comes in.. You have to know that tree is only going down and away before you make such cuts from the hooks.. There is no where to run.

It's the cut ... not the species... humboldts with a couple inches of stump shot will generally keep you safe, if the tree looks like its going to brush or hang up in another tree.
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That I totally disagree on. A large Ponderosa pine can stand ten feet off the ground on its branches and spring back well behind the stump. I don’t care what kind of cut you put in that tree you will be in danger if you can’t get away from the base of it. I strongly urge people to consider the branch strength and such before attempting a high stump cut like this.
 
Daniel said:
That's where dialing in your falling skills comes in.. You have to know that tree is only going down and away before you make such cuts from the hooks.. There is no where to run.

It's the cut ... not the species... humboldts with a couple inches of stump shot will generally keep you safe, if the tree looks like its going to brush or hang up in another tree.
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Daniel I’m not trying to call you a liar, if you wish to do these things that’s your call not mine. When you say dial in your skills, my saw handling skills are not the issue. I’ve been using a chainsaw for over 30 years in a professional manner. I’ve seen people airlifted off a mountain side. One crushed to death and 3 severely injured. I quit working the forest because it was unsafe to work with these idiots. Now I make my own mistakes and learn from them. This particular mistake is one I won’t repeat. I will always find the safest way.
 
huge difference between cutting trees in the woods and cutting trees in backyards. I agree ... the woods is a far more dangerous place to work ... One factor that loggers face int he woods that most suburban arbs don't often deal with is the sheer mass of monster trees.. The mass of a 4' pine can make a tree much more likely come back off the hinge. The forces are huge... Much more likely to rip that hinge to pieces..
 
Stephen Moore said:
That I totally disagree on. A large Ponderosa pine can stand ten feet off the ground on its branches and spring back well behind the stump. I don’t care what kind of cut you put in that tree you will be in danger if you can’t get away from the base of it. I strongly urge people to consider the branch strength and such before attempting a high stump cut like this.
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OK Just read that... then that is where knowing how a tree will respond after it hits ground is crucial. I thought you meant it came back off the stump during the fall... Springback is an issue

this one freaked the neighbor out.. I knew it had enough to clear the fence, and it would spring back, but I didn't think it would be this close.. the but actually ended up between the two lower rails....
 

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Daniel said:
huge difference between cutting trees in the woods and cutting trees in backyards. I agree ... the woods is a far more dangerous place to work ... One factor that loggers face int he woods that most suburban arbs don't often deal with is the sheer mass of monster trees.. The mass of a 4' pine can make a tree much more likely come back off the hinge. The forces are huge... Much more likely to rip that hinge to pieces..
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Daniel the pine was in a back yard! A large lake front property not the bush. And it didn’t jump back off the hinge, it came off the stump in the normal fashion and landed on its branches. The branches were super strong and flexible, the trees forward momentum reacted with the spring force to lift the whole tree up and lunge it backwards. Believe me it came as a surprise! Somewhere I have a photo of it on one of the many thumb drives we have. A 14’ trailer parked in front of it and the tree looks like it’s elevated above it on its branches. It was so high and heavy that cutting it down off its branches was hazardous! I’ll look for the photo and see if I can find it. Sadly windows puts numbers to represent photos and that makes it shitty to find em.
 
Daniel said:
OK Just read that... then that is where knowing how a tree will respond after it hits ground is crucial. I thought you meant it came back off the stump during the fall... Springback is an issue

this one freaked the neighbor out.. I knew it had enough to clear the fence, and it would spring back, but I didn't think it would be this close.. the but actually ended up between the two lower rails....
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Far as I can remember the pine was 40 plus inches at the butt and 130ish feet tall? Beatle killed. We did two on that property, both burned because we couldn’t get them off the beach.
 
Stephen Moore said:
Daniel the pine was in a back yard! A large lake front property not the bush. And it didn’t jump back off the hinge, it came off the stump in the normal fashion and landed on its branches. The branches were super strong and flexible, the trees forward momentum reacted with the spring force to lift the whole tree up and lunge it backwards. Believe me it came as a surprise! Somewhere I have a photo of it on one of the many thumb drives we have. A 14’ trailer parked in front of it and the tree looks like it’s elevated above it on its branches. It was so high and heavy that cutting it down off its branches was hazardous! I’ll look for the photo and see if I can find it. Sadly windows puts numbers to represent photos and that makes it shitty to find em.
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Bingo! One time with a big conifer is all it takes to realize this a very bad idea.! A dangerous move to create another dangerous scene down stream.
 
Keep experimenting like this you and/or one of your followers will go splat like a wee little bug at the hand of Gaia. Sure it can be done, until it can’t..
 
evo said:
Keep experimenting like this you and/or one of your followers will go splat like a wee little bug at the hand of Gaia. Sure it can be done, until it can’t..
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That pine would have smashed beyond identification! Like a giant sledge hammer! Fuck that there’s always a better way!
 
Like everything we do... knowledge comes from experience.... I survived my mistakes and learned from them... Judging what a tree is going to do after it hits the ground can only come from experience.. There are no books to read on the subject...

You had a problem with the technique on a big pine, so don't use it on big pines, fine, but that doesn't mean don;t use it at all . If you lump one bad move in with an entire set of skills and then decide not to use any of them, then you haven't really learned the lesson...

I just put this vid up specifically for this thread.. Just a quickie tulip spar drop from a few weeks back.. This log was going to start rolling after impact... left two padding logs to save the lawn, then a third log to stop the roll and a small limb to keep the log off the ground for next cut

 
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