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Was expecting a lot from reform but guess the obstructionists have some investments that are more important than the people they serve.

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Ill bite.............


The nationwide healthcare wouldnt work as drafted. If it was a good plan and made fiscal sense it would have had bi partisan support.

I agree we need a MAJOR overhaul in this country! Just not an overhaul that would put us that far in debt and give the government more say in our personal lives.
 
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Was expecting a lot from reform but guess the obstructionists have some investments that are more important than the people they serve.

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Just curious why you think your entitled to free healthcare?Maybe your customers should be entitled to free tree care.Then the government can decide if the tree is worth treating and how much you should get paid for the work you do?
 
I'm just curious to know if there was <u>anything</u> that the government has ever touched, regulated or provided that didn't end up costing many times more than it did before they got involved.

I think we all know the answer...
 
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Just curious why you think your entitled to free healthcare?Maybe your customers should be entitled to free tree care.Then the government can decide if the tree is worth treating and how much you should get paid for the work you do?

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LOL! obviously posted by a healthy and fit person who is able to work. get a few years on you and an unexpected illness and id like to hear your opinion. Lets see how the insurance companies treat you.
 
YEE-HAW!!

Been awhile since you shook things up in the tree free zone oakie!

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Just curious why you think your entitled to free healthcare?Maybe your customers should be entitled to free tree care.Then the government can decide if the tree is worth treating and how much you should get paid for the work you do?

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LOL! obviously posted by a healthy and fit person who is able to work. get a few years on you and an unexpected illness and id like to hear your opinion. Lets see how the insurance companies treat you.

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You really think it would be any different if ran by the government?Healthcare is overly expensive because of rampant fraud and frivolous lawsuits.The way to fix this has nothing to do with government ownership,stop looking to the government to fix everything.“A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." -Gerald Ford
 
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I'm just curious to know if there was <u>anything</u> that the government has ever touched, regulated or provided that didn't end up costing many times more than it did before they got involved.

I think we all know the answer...

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Great point. I think that ends the whole discussion.
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"LOL! obviously posted by a healthy and fit person who is able to work. get a few years on you and an unexpected illness and id like to hear your opinion. Lets see how the insurance companies treat you."

He don't know me - or a lot of other things out there in our world - does he Jim? "Healthy?"

Even though my cancer - for the past 17 years - has been determined as service-connected from my documented history of exposure to known carcinogens while both in the military and civilian Forest Service employment..and as such is not only 100 percent compensatable, but diagnosis, treatments, and long-term care as well a 120-percent disability income are indeed the obligation of you, the taxpayer to underwrite. So goes the mandate of the V.A. and certain inalienable rights of those who bore the burdon of battle for your right to make "obvious" assumptions without malice or forethought, certainly without knowing the simple facts.

I elected to underwrite - so far the total we're able to track and show - the entire cost associated with my second bone-marrow-transplant, it's follow-up programs,an additional stem-cell transplant and the after care and late-effect related treatments up to and including a heart transplant and it's clinical follow-up which is still in process...nine years later. I recently discovered by routine physical, some new treatment-related tumors that both the initial clinical visit, the biopsies, and what's now a tiresome series of frustrating research for treatment clinical trials (I cannot ever receive any more CHOP or TBI or high-dose monoclonal antibody therapies due to my past treatment extremes) that I hope to find, by chance, that can qualify me as a patient.

Again, I have been writing checks out of my own (and some very caring close-friend supporters) to pay for not just all-the-above, but thousand of little expenses expected through so many years of this crap. My country 'tis of thee.
The last this I would elect to do - and very well the reason I'm not just still alive but VERY functional - would be to seek the mandate I'm intitled to by rights - and seek the health care I "earned" at the V.A. and/or the NCI/NIH and have you pay for it - as your obligation of being a citizen of the U.S. and obviously one of the reasons you think govt. should stay clear of our health care. It's your government - by proxy you, that gave me this lymphoma while I honorably served and now we know, wasn't told of the then-known health effects so that I may have had an option of avoiding it. Maybe..orders are orders we don't question them, right?

To date well over 3.5 million dollars of my own and my wife's income has gone towards what America has cost me, and that's the tangible loss and costs, not the largesse of the human, character, social and many many vocational and cultural opportunities lost in the interim on personal and real issues.

The article I linked to was simply to show how leaving an industry alone (less or zero regulation as you would suggest it) has resulted in the facts of where we are nationally which is why changes are mandatory. Someone of your nature and disposition and opinion was on trial, testifying under oath at discover when we were in litigation in the discovery phase of the Agent Orange Class action againt Dow, the U.S.A., Monsanto, DOD, etc., that Idustry could've gotten away clean with the toxicity issue of liability and fault - if they could've been allowed to manufacture and sell without having to tell the govt. - albeit years later - that they knew the componants of the two herbicides used in Agent Orange tested as a potent human carcinogens and Lymphoma was one of the rare cancers known then that caused delayed occurance of NHL. They knew, then the govt. knew, they denied and lied until we sued, and the rest is history but everyone seems to have forgotten something. I entered as a class co-plaintiff as did thousands of others, but never touched the settlement, no one I know has either.

They lied, as per the article I linked to indicated as well, the merits and management of the insurance industry, especially in these times.

So warming to know you not only support such actions by business towards the people, but resist efforts to control such blatant violations of trust and displays of sickening greed, at the cost of American's lives and livelihoods.

You never had to pay for my health care, you should be thanking me. However I feel that my illness and trials with sickness and endless worries and associated pains relating to my service both for defense and domestic policies are because of people like you, who convinced me as a short-sighted teenager that enlisting for Vietnam was the patriotic and responsible thing to do, like keeping private big-business responsible only for themselves and stop government from policing them, stop lawyers from suing them, and they'll keep all our best intrests at heart. The mantra of the Tea Party, the GOP, Wall Street and the select few of Dow, Monsanto, Conagri, seems a lot like it did when the last eight years of their policies and the impacting results because of, are the situation we and world are in now - but we forget I guess.

I'm not just a cancer and multiple transplant (including hard organ) survivor, I'm a thriver. I own my own business...I climb daily (weather permitting), carry more than full liability (which I've never filed a claim on, property or injury), and consider myself much healthier and physically capable than many others I know - even with current active and growing metastasized/related tumors on my face, in my neck, on my chest and under my spleen (so far, just those we know about). I'm also an old timer - over half a century old...which I consider often a plus because along with those years came earned experience - much at high cost - of what is in government, what was in government, and what should be in government - which by the way is (or should be)....us, the people, not the corporations which I can not understand get so much freedom advocacy from people like you while they not just continue the fraud and lies and policies of the past, they're enjoying it much more profitably now and the obvious impacts are blatent yet you seem to think it's this black president, socialists in hiding, or lazy Americans who just want more freebies.

Just my two cents - {which for me, after millions spent over the years on stuff that was never my fault and I should not even being paying for} - worth.

I'd like to know what you'd do - God forbid - if a catastrophic trauma of chronic terminal illness present itself to you or your loved one(s)...and your insurer cancels you policy and your lawyer has his litigious hands tied (GOP legislation..tort reform, eh?). Worse yet, they cover selected (they select them) proceedures and you're still facing co-pays or additional costs that come out of your pocket to the tune of bancruptcy - destroying your sense of life as you know it. That's what that article I linked this morning to was all about - just that. Ideology is a problem often because your opinions and assumptions about people more often than you think - effect real people in real situations, they are out there far beyond - apparently - your closed-in world of profits and entitlements and rights and freedoms...things that directly caused my cancers and struggles in life along with many thousands of others who blindly believed the same things...way back when but who knows more than Sarah Palin or Rush Limbaugh or the Dick Cheney's that influence us about what is right for America and where the problems really lie?

What more than just several large companies enjoying unparalleled profits in these times of economic destruction, caused by their very policies, are doing to America is to me no different than what Bin Laden did on 9/11, and that bold opinion is mine and my
right to express it because I paid dearly for that right, much more than any one American should ever have to pay.

My country 'tis to thee.
 
Oh forgot - "how the insurance companies treated me?"

When my first biopsy came back - from a lymphnode in my neck - and that very night I was getting staged in the hospital (never even got to go home), back in 9/92, I had major medical coverage. Doctors, labs, radiology, out patient hospital costs, chemo protocols, etc. and etc. for the next ten months of protocols and the drug called Mitoxantrone infused 3 times a week for those ten months (as a cost of one thousand dollars per vial) would nearly all be covered.

I didn't even get a bill until my fifth month of chemo.

Then they came pouring in. Retro-billing from the hospital, clinic, Dr., radiology, labs, etc. My carrier (insurer) went Chapter 11, in Dallas, during my proceedures...months into my proceedures. No appropriate - (questionably illegal) oversight or management from the courts. Gone, kaput, over, history. The billing went back to the first day I found out I had NHL stage four - at our family's private doctor's office, a week after excising the easiest tumor. I had been paying over 400 a month for years for a complete family major medical plan - dental included. I still payed during my diagnosis and first 20 treatments...the premiums came along with no indication of this company's troubles or future. I recovered $4,000 from the legal action, two years later. This was only possible because I helped lobby the then legislature to pass requirement that one of the three State Insurance Board regulators (our oversight to protect consumers from industry fraud) was to be a representative of patients or policyholders...not an employee of the insurance industry that got appointment by the governor. Currently under the governor (Perry (R)), the board has been dismantled, no oversight or agency now exists that insures regulation or compliance. My bancrupted insurer simply re-organized as a trust management firm, retaining not only it's traded assets but it's entire board of directors remained, unscalded and unemcumbered.

The funny thing now is - if I wish to have a cancer policy - (it's been mandated by several states for survivors or those who lost coverage - Cobra) in Texas, where the law provides this option but the Legislature never funded it) it would cost be $4,000 per month - only me the former cancer patient, not family. Everything that I might need in terms of treatment regimens or drugs or proceedures or check-ups? Would only be covered if recognized as standard approved therapies that at the time I was diagnosed, offered me a less-than 5% chance of success of living more than 6 months beyond treatment. I'm alive because I DIDN'T elect standard therapies, rather experimental but front-line and obviously effective...the only treatments then available for my cell-type of cancer, my stats, progression of disease, non-match donor compatability, and transplant necessities. My heart was damaged by chemo, standard therapies I could not survive yet only standard therapy was even marginally covered (in theory and policy) by my insurer.

Yeah, I've had insurance experience and I've had not-so-good health along with that experience. Whatever happens now federally really doesn't even effect me - one way or the other because I pay my own way anyway. I'm thinking about everybody else, and that would include you...in spite of how dandy you seem to think the failing system can be without intervention or massive changes of laws and management. I hear a Re;publicanandidate mention something about "America's health care needs nothing for improvement...but being left alone".

Right, that's working great for everyone, especially those poor saps who lost their home or job or family or all three because of some greedy investment speculator or some institutional greed at play - enjoying the freedoms from regulation the last eight years has granted them.

Nation's in a pickle and I'd like to read what you'd like to recommend insofar as healthcare, I'm serious. I just offered my story because you assumed you knew what I had to deal with, who I was and how easy I must have it. Those assumptions, like only lazy people don't own homes or people without health care insurance just want something for nothing or health care isn't the responsibility of anyone other than those inflicted with illness (like me, fighting for you, and having a disease as a result). Tell me oh wise one what's "not wrong" with the current system, what would be better, and how you'd like to go about changing things.

I'm serious, I'll listen.
 
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I think we need to listen to Oakwilt. His story is not unique. There are some very serious issues with the private healthcare system.

Besides- I agree. If you want it cheaper, don't go to the gov't. They don't have a price incentive...but, they do have an incentive to distribute it to everyone. Which is the crux of the argument, right? Do we want to live in a country where everyone has access to affordable healthcare.

I do. And I don't mind paying for some moochers/ free riders (which happens anyway).
 
Oak,

Next time they do a benefit for you I definitely want to help out.

My mom is currently going through colon cancer. Medicare is suppose to be picking up the tab, we'll see how that all pans out.
 
isnt medicare nationally run? seems to be working well! Based on the track record of medicare I now see why you guys are pushing so hard for Obamas healthcare plan! So hard even that an emergency vote was tried to be snuck in before a new senator could be sworn in, read the bill, and relieve a temporary appointment. The bill is so good in its current state that it has a full bi partisan support......right?

We need a serious ovrhaul in this country of healthcare, we DONT need state run anything, especially not health care! Less welfare and taxes not more.
 
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isnt medicare nationally run? seems to be working well! Based on the track record of medicare I now see why you guys are pushing so hard for Obamas healthcare plan! So hard even that an emergency vote was tried to be snuck in before a new senator could be sworn in, read the bill, and relieve a temporary appointment. The bill is so good in its current state that it has a full bi partisan support......right?

We need a serious ovrhaul in this country of healthcare, we DONT need state run anything, especially not health care! Less welfare and taxes not more.

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Dude, you think I'm pushing for socialized medicine? you should know me better than that.
 
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Dude, you think I'm pushing for socialized medicine? you should know me better than that.

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No I was speaking toward the others here that think a fast vote would have solved all our problems.

What is medicares biggest puitfall, besides being a burden on every american? It is laden with fraud. Why? Only 5%-10% of the cases are reviewed per year! 5%-10%!!??

Our Government hasnt run anything well to this point, why trust them with one of the biggest tax burdens this country will ever face for DECADES to come?
 
Oak,
I'm sorry for your unfortunate situation but What your talking about has nothing to do with the current bill.I truly believe that veterans should get the best healthcare available.That's an altogether different issue.Do you really think the government would spare no expense in the treatment of every man women and child in the country?No there gonna decide what makes sense monetarily.The advanced medicines and treatments available in this country are the product of a capitalist system,where the investor's of such thing's are rewarded with profits.As much as we would like to think there doing it to help man kind,the truth is they aren't!If the government gets involved and starts setting prices,a lot of the research that brings about"miracle drugs"and treatments will most certainly end.Money is the great motivator like it or not.And by the way why does it matter that the president is black?
 
Oh almost forgot,the loss of the kennedy seat is the best proof there is that the people don't want this bill.Scott Brown ran as the vote to kill healthcare.
 
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Oh almost forgot,the loss of the kennedy seat is the best proof there is that the people don't want this bill.Scott Brown ran as the vote to kill healthcare.

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In the most Liberal state in the country, for the most Liberal Senators seat to ever sit on Congress! And won by a LANDSLIDE! She conceded 1 hour after the voting ended!
 
my post was intended for 6t56, not for you oakwilt. the idea that healthcare should be like treework and that only the rich and healthy should have access to it is inherently flawed in my opinion. I have seen enough of this system to know that something is drastically wrong.
 

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