In SRT making the switch at the top

i'm beginning to try some single rope climbing
i have the right & left Petzl Ascenders with foot loops
and going up is comfortable. It's making the switch at the top
to a descending device that's shaky and keeping me close to the ground
until i learn how to properly protect myself. Right know i've tried
a basic figure 8 , a rack device. i have a GriGri but have not used it in this
situation. What's the best way for a greenhorn get down safely?
thank you
 
Descending a single line with only a fig 8 or rack is not ideal. If you let go or lose your grip, the ground will rise quickly to meet you. Grigri, Cinch, i'D, or Eddy will give you much better control and safe handling. Do you have a copy of "On Rope"? Many change-over scenarios covered in that book. Perhaps the Petzl website has a number of illustrations as well.
 
hey slow fuse.

i use a eddy and love it, it is simple to set up easy to maintain and understand but as with all gear does seem pricey when looking into them. i havent used mine much and intend not to. the eddy can be a touch joulty (i think that is right) when decending but as you get used to the feel of the handle it becomes better to regulate the speed. i cannot compare this to anything because this is the only thing i use other than a ground lower. if i ever wonder about gear i see if one of my mates has it and have a go and see what they say. try before you buy and all that.
hope that helps
 
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Well, if you've reached the crown using SRT and then switched over to DdRT for the work positioning then I'd say the best way to get down is by DdRT. Also use a lanyard up there. For SRT descent the Grigri is popular.
 
I use the grigri and it works well but not great. It can be a bit bouncy at times but that's because I climb on a 11.8mm rope and the device calls for a 11mm rope. It does work well though when I use my velocity line (which is 11mm)

The grigri is much less expensive then the eddy, but I can not say that it is better. Maybe someone (tom) can shed some light on to why the eddy would be worth the extra money
 
Welcome to Treebuzz!

SRT is the future of tree climbing...IM[not]HO...hahaha!

First...only use gear that is designed to fit the rope that you are using. This is VERY important because the camming action of the device is dependent on where the cam is located on it's arc of travel to lock down properly. Oh, sure...people have been using Gri-Gris on half inch rope for a long time. But, is that proper? No...

Look at it this way...how much chatter is there on Treebuzz about people doing bad treework? Leaving stubs, ladders without personal support, no PPE. My point is an extension of this...use the right tool in the right way...or it's wrong.

OK..off the soapbox :)

When you get to your TIP-tie in point-and are goingto make the transfer put your lanyard onto a secure place. Then, take off your ascent gear. PUt on the descent gear and TEST the gear BEFORE you take off your lanyard! There have been accidents and deaths because the climber made the gear transition but didn't test the new attachment. When I transfer I'll snug up the new system, bounce on it with my lanyard still snug, then slack off the lanyard, bounce again and look carefully at how everything works. Sometimes I'll even do a third test before taking my lanyard off.

Any descending device is likely to have a sweet spot. Some are easier to hit than others. There are a wide range of variables too. Climber's body weight is one. The rope is a HUGE variable. Is the rope supple and squishy? Is it a hard lay like flexible cable? Is the sheath smooth or is it a twelve strand with lots of bumps and texture?

My personal favorite for this application is the Eddy. There are some shortcomings...the climber needs to be aware that the cam might not grab in certain configurations and allow a slip...not a fall though, so far. Having the ability to lower by either pushing or pulling the handle makes for some nice use. In either setup the cam will go over center and lock down. Hard to argue with that feature. Pull a handle on a Gri Gri too far and what happens...fall!

Plus the Eddy can be setup so that the rope comes out of the bottom in a more natural feeling setup.

The MOST important thing that climbers should do more of is to tie backup knots in their rope. I'd like to see this become more normal for all climbers. But...I'm not going to fight for that, just suggest.

Every few feet take up a bite of rope and tie a slip knot in your rope. If you ever slip on the rope you won't take a grounder.

ON ROPE should be mandatory reading for anyone who makes their living hanging on a rope. YOu should be able to find a used copy pretty cheap. I've seen them for sale for $10.

Take the time to read through this WHOLE site:

http://storrick.cnchost.com/VerticalDevicesPage/VerticalHome.shtml

There is soooo much information there!

There is plenty of discussion in the Treebuzz archives too. Look up the SRT or Eddy threads. Google will take you to other info from the vertical world too.

Ask lots of questions and stick with your thread. It's easy to find a thread derailed and your original question may not be answered.
 
I've learned so much since finding and joining this site a few days ago. My work seemed to always have me on the top rung of an extension ladder. So i finally bought some rope. The only in a tree/in person training i've had was an hour or so with this great guy (Peter Jenkins) in Atlanta, Ga. (DRT) with a Blake's hitch etc. Being a gadget guy led me the Petzl ascenders and trying a single rope. Man... do i have a lot to learn. Thanks Tom & all others for time/advice.
http://atreehouselife.blogspot.com
 
If I’m On-Line (SRT) and need to descend, I use the following steps (thanks to Paolo for the tips): By the way my SRT line is an 11 mm Blaze line, not a ½” line. I also use the Tree Frog climbing system.

1. Sit in the Croll and push the handled ascender to arms length.

2. Attach the descender (I use a GriGri) to the line below the Croll. I wear a TreeFlex saddle and use the sliding bridge ring for this step.

3. Remove the slack through the descender until its just below the Croll

4. Stand in the footloop, pulling on the ascender with your left hand. As your bodyweight comes off the Croll, release the Croll’s camming mechanism from your line.

5. Standing in the footloop, you’ll then take the remaining slack out of the descender by pulling on it with your right hand.

6. After the above steps are completed, sit back on the descender.

7. Release the cam on your handled ascender and let it slide down the line, and then begin your descent
 
The most common accident in SRT occur during the cross over from acsent to descent.

The key part is to practice your change over at ground level until you can do it with ease. Then when in the tree, follow Tom's advice and tie in on a lanyard before attempting to change. For the change over Chris has it spot on.

Best case scenario would be to use a seperate back up line with fall arrester (swearing in the world of trees I know!!!) to proctect yourself up and down. Or if you only have a short climb use the RAD system so you have no change over - this is used exclusively in some rescue teams now for that very reason.
 
I would think that by now my SRT record would be as worn as my original copy of Dark Side of the Moon. After playing it for so long it gets old...but the song are still as good as ever.

Like any conversion experience the Uni has shown me the future! And I like the view!
 
there is a descender called a piranha that you can get it is used for rappelling waterfalls and has multiple lock of points. it is similar to a fig 8 but with lock off capabilities, and is a very useful piece. you can get it at REI, EMS, and Petzle, and sherrill.
hope this helps
 
this thread has "at the top" in it's heading, but...i've been spooked the most in situations where i'm on a single rope climbing on a couple of handheld ascenders and have to "make the switch" long before reaching my anchor (as well as being positioned out of reach of the tree trunk).
So i'm looking for ways of lifting my weight off of these Petzl ascenders, (which you know by this point have dug deep into my rope) and employing a descend device. Also having a backup tie off of some type that finds me comfortable/confident as i remove that final ascender. Until i have many more hours (weeks) "on rope", i'm taking Turbine's advice and rigging a 2nd line as backup. There's loads of gear out there and many techniques so i'm interested in preferred methods. thanks!
http://atreehouselife.blogspot.com
 
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this thread has "at the top" in it's heading, but...i've been spooked the most in situations where i'm on a single rope climbing on a couple of handheld ascenders and have to "make the switch" long before reaching my anchor (as well as being positioned out of reach of the tree trunk).
So i'm looking for ways of lifting my weight off of these Petzl ascenders, (which you know by this point have dug deep into my rope) and employing a descend device.

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See my above post. It explains how I descend while on-rope.
 
Or try a belayable anchor so your groundie can save your butt in the event of a WTF? panic situation.
 

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Like a cloud of Costa Rican Black Banded Hornets. I would have given my truck for a ground man.

Also Chris...i've been practicing your 1-7 steps. Could use describe your
"sliding bridge ring". (i just have the basic New Tribe work saddle) Does the GriGri attach to this ring?
 
SlowFuse, I'm glad to see that you are learning to SRT. Like Tom D. has said, it is the future of tree climbing. I like it because its so much easier on the body than footlocking.

I'm not familiar with the New Tribe work saddle, so I'm not sure what your attachment points are for this saddle. I'm assuming that you have a floating center d-ring? You can attach your descender (GriGri) to this ring.

On my TreeFlex saddle, I have a low fixed center clip point above the bridge for my Croll chest ascender and handled ascender. Below that, is my sliding bridge with alloy ring which can hold up to 4 biners. I attach my GriGri to this ring.

See the link below to Paolo's website for more info. I would also look at the TreeMotion for a great saddle for SRT. The guys over at TreeMagineers have made some great tools for tree workers.

http://www.treemettlenexus.com/treeflex.html
 

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