In Short..........What Are The Benefits Of SRT ???

Waldo...in SRT I can pretension my system. In fact, I think that I can do it better than using DdRT. maybe we're talking about two different things.

What's a 'sneaky redi'?

With some planning I can redi high, work an area, drop down using the same redi, then, move back or down and clear the upper redi. In order for this to work the tail of the rope has to be left on the right side of the redi to clear it out though. I've found this much easier to do using SRT vrs. DdRT
 
I think both systems have positives and negatives. I use SRT on any tree I use a thow ball to acccess. I use DDRT on small trees, removals, and when doing line clearance.
 
Tom I think the Uni is particularly good for that sort of redi climbing. On/off rope so quickly. You don't have to pull gear back thru forks, just the rope. That is the reason why I really wanted the RW uni combo to work for me.. but along came another distraction the hitch hiker..
 
It's good for access into taller trees other than that I have no interest in using srt what so ever.

I'll never use srt for work positioning as I like to be in complete control of both ends of my line when work positioning, with srt this is not possible so for that reason I've ruled it out.

I've noticed recently that users of srt for work positioning have become evangelical about the system, crusading across the internet with their ardent views that it's the best way to climb trees to carry out the work.

It's not, ok.

It's a niche form of treeclimbing, thankfully....that's all it will ever be.




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Your right about srt never taking over ddrt. its all the same thing, But i dont ubderstand why you would rule it completely out because you cant control both ends of the line. That seems to be a phobia that could be worked out like a fear of heights or trusting 10 mm rope for the first time. Its all rope work. I dont now any one who climbs on two lines. I have only ever seen people climb on a single line. People are making a way bigger deal of it than it really is.
 
Why must we homogenize everything and everyone into one rigid mold?

I'm comfortably old school, and confident in my arboreal abilities. I remember when speed lines were a new thing in this industry. We've come light years since Homelite and McCullough chainsaws were king.

It's the rogue independents pushing the envelope of change, and they should be celebrated rather than ridiculed when their ideas and methods merit emulating and adopting.

Murphy's law has a way of sorting things out in time.

I myself am sick and tired of rope tails following me around and encumbering my work. I want a rope that delivers everything an arborist needs, support, power, fresh breathing air, cold air to stay cool, hot air to stay warm, the works, all delivered to me through one rope from above, that lowers or lifts me when I tell it to, with no tail......see?

They're called compound hose assemblies, and they can deliver your every wish. Rather like Alladin's Rope, but in America.

jomoco
 
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But i dont ubderstand why you would rule it completely out because you cant control both ends of the line.

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because in DbRT you are in complete control of the working (active) part of your line, you are 100% aware of both sides of the rope, it's also dynamic, it's moving, you are part of the mechanism that makes the system work, it's more intuitive and instinctive than SRT.

To put it simply, SRT is climbing up and down a boring ladder, whereas DbRT is like using the great glass elevator.
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In SRT you haven't got a clue what's going on at the end of your line, especially with the base tie off.

I dont have a problem with people using SRT for work, I do however have a problem with people saying it is better than DbRT and pushing it as the greatest thing since sliced bread
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There are a few other things ahead of sliced bread
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Any sort of tree climbing...indoor plumbing...Internet...on and on
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SRT is wayyyy down the list below sliced bread of course!
 
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But i dont ubderstand why you would rule it completely out because you cant control both ends of the line.

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because in DbRT you are in complete control of the working (active) part of your line, you are 100% aware of both sides of the rope, it's also dynamic, it's moving, you are part of the mechanism that makes the system work, it's more intuitive and instinctive than SRT.

To put it simply, SRT is climbing up and down a boring ladder, whereas DbRT is like using the great glass elevator.
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In SRT you haven't got a clue what's going on at the end of your line, especially with the base tie off.

I dont have a problem with people using SRT for work, I do however have a problem with people saying it is better than DbRT and pushing it as the greatest thing since sliced bread
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I actually gave up bread this year, sliced or not, cause i just couldn't see the point nor benefit, apart from habit and some short lived comfort perhaps. I could say the same about Ddrt, speaking for myself of course.

I'd like to say f--- Ddrt and f--- sliced bread, but as ive been reminded here in the past, a given technique might favor one persons strength but not the next guy. Thats fair enough I suppose

With that in mind, on many a working day since moving to Victoria I've gotten through and finished a bunch of trees (pruning mainly) that I just couldn't have in the same amount of time using DdRT. And you know Tim I'm 100% a working climber, not a comp guy or anything. Theres no enjoyment, satisfaction or time to smell the roses etc....its all about getting it done quick and moving on. That's how it is for me.
 
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I actually gave up bread this year, sliced or not, cause i just couldn't see the point nor benefit, apart from habit and some short lived comfort perhaps.

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you must've been buying some very poor quality bread Reg? like from 'Cheap Breads R Us' or something?

SRT for access = great

SRT for pruning? well, I really dont like the base tie off and I can see problems with the top tie in method as well ie retrieval.

Would it be possible to use a Doubled Rope to climb SRT?

What I mean is could you double a rope over your anchor point and have both ends on the ground, so the system works like a static SRT system, then climb up and down the doubled rope SRT style?

anyone thought of doing that?

I'm gonna go away and figure out how it can be done and invent a new system called Doubled Rope SRT. That'll solve my issues with SRT.


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Grover you could try the french double prussic thing..
A prussic on the running side and one on the standing part as well. Slide one for drt, both for SRT.
Any got the vid link..?
 
Dang you Grover!

You just gave me an idea for a retrievable SRT anchoring system!

Think pneumatically, on either end of a single line. Inflate with a bicycle pump to lock one end into position via pneumatic bag inflation through a ring.

CO2 cartridge?

Any bidders? Yale, Samson, New England?

Would you hang your life from an inflated rubber bladder like Formula One racers do?

Would ANSi approve?

IEEE Carumba!

jomoco
 
Cortland diving umbilicals mfrs a 1/4 inch airhose with an excellent bend radius that's very lightweight and rated at 400 PSI.

Ship that straight to NER for a polyester braided jacket over the 12 mm airhose that can take a 6k load and voila, an inflatable Kevlar speedbag up top!

SRT may advance to two interior air hoses with schrader valves, rings and airbags at both ends so you can slinky yourself through a tree's canopy with no more than a custom rope and a palm squeeze pump like the boxers use to inflate a speedbag!

Oh my!

jomoco
 
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