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- Home of the New Jersey Devils
I'll have 2 oaks extra topping please.
- Thread starter Mark Chisholm
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TreeCo
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Re: I\'ll have 2 oaks extra topping please.
I see the one on the right was topped years earlier even harder.
I hate to see work like that too.
I see the one on the right was topped years earlier even harder.
I hate to see work like that too.
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- Home of the New Jersey Devils
Re: I\'ll have 2 oaks extra topping please.
I was talking to Eric E the other night and I said that I just knew that the people who lived here were older folks. Then I said that it may bea wrong thing to say, but we may have to wait for all of these types of customers to pass on before topping is no longer practiced. He said that it might be that or the older tree guys. /forum/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
I was talking to Eric E the other night and I said that I just knew that the people who lived here were older folks. Then I said that it may bea wrong thing to say, but we may have to wait for all of these types of customers to pass on before topping is no longer practiced. He said that it might be that or the older tree guys. /forum/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
Re: I\'ll have 2 oaks extra topping please.
A couple of large maple trees in a front yard in town got the treatment last week. Bucket truck tracks all over the lawn and salami cuts everywhere. When I see that, I'm always tempted to stop and ask the homeowner why they've started removing such otherwise beautiful trees and when are the tree guys coming to finish the job?
A couple of large maple trees in a front yard in town got the treatment last week. Bucket truck tracks all over the lawn and salami cuts everywhere. When I see that, I'm always tempted to stop and ask the homeowner why they've started removing such otherwise beautiful trees and when are the tree guys coming to finish the job?
- Location
- Decatur, Georgia
Re: I\'ll have 2 oaks extra topping please.
Do the towns you guys live in have licenses for arborists or tree services to practice tree care within the city limits? Or how about a city ordinance citing topping as an unacceptable practice? Most of the towns here on the front range, have licensing for tree services and you have to pass a written and climbing (pruning) test. Somehow this tends to keep people pretty honest in their practices, but you can definately tell the communities that dont have licensing.
Do the towns you guys live in have licenses for arborists or tree services to practice tree care within the city limits? Or how about a city ordinance citing topping as an unacceptable practice? Most of the towns here on the front range, have licensing for tree services and you have to pass a written and climbing (pruning) test. Somehow this tends to keep people pretty honest in their practices, but you can definately tell the communities that dont have licensing.
Re: I\'ll have 2 oaks extra topping please.
"License" means permission to do something which is otherwise illegal. No ordinances regarding tree work here...
"License" means permission to do something which is otherwise illegal. No ordinances regarding tree work here...
- Location
- Decatur, Georgia
Re: I\'ll have 2 oaks extra topping please.
Do you guys find that when you do stop and ask the homeowner about their trees after a hack job, thats pretty much what they wanted?
When I worked with a municipality here, we would stop by houses that had freshly topped trees ( theres not that many around here, but a few) and try to find out the story. Usually the people wanted them that way -mostly older folks. Somepeople really didnt know any better- I guess more education to the public needed.
Do you guys find that when you do stop and ask the homeowner about their trees after a hack job, thats pretty much what they wanted?
When I worked with a municipality here, we would stop by houses that had freshly topped trees ( theres not that many around here, but a few) and try to find out the story. Usually the people wanted them that way -mostly older folks. Somepeople really didnt know any better- I guess more education to the public needed.
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- Retired in Minneapolis
Re: I\'ll have 2 oaks extra topping please.
Lake City Minnesota has an ordinance against topping of any tree within a right of way. Since homeowners are allowed to maintain the boulevard trees this puts some teeth into an ordinance.
A friend of mine was instrumental in getting that ordinance on the books. She's now the mayor of Lake City, I don't know how much the two are related though. For anyone still around from the old ISA forum, this is Isaac's Mom.
Lake City Minnesota has an ordinance against topping of any tree within a right of way. Since homeowners are allowed to maintain the boulevard trees this puts some teeth into an ordinance.
A friend of mine was instrumental in getting that ordinance on the books. She's now the mayor of Lake City, I don't know how much the two are related though. For anyone still around from the old ISA forum, this is Isaac's Mom.
- Location
- Austin, TX
Re: I\'ll have 2 oaks extra topping please.
Austin has a protected tree ordinance that sometimes can come into play. Trees at least 19" DBH are protected, and removing one without a permit can lead to fines or other remediation. A tree that is damaged to the point of causing a removal is included, so topping is theoretically banned for large trees.
Unfortunately, the inspectors are already overworked and unless someone complains, nothing is likely to be done (new developments are monitored, but not private residences in established neighborhoods). Even if someone complains, the response time is often so slow that the evidence is gone before anyone comes out to evaluate the situation.
We've made a good start, but have a ways to go.
At urban forestry board meetings, we've discussed the possibility of permitting tree companies, but we have a long way to go (writing a forest management plan) before we can get into these finer points.
k
Austin has a protected tree ordinance that sometimes can come into play. Trees at least 19" DBH are protected, and removing one without a permit can lead to fines or other remediation. A tree that is damaged to the point of causing a removal is included, so topping is theoretically banned for large trees.
Unfortunately, the inspectors are already overworked and unless someone complains, nothing is likely to be done (new developments are monitored, but not private residences in established neighborhoods). Even if someone complains, the response time is often so slow that the evidence is gone before anyone comes out to evaluate the situation.
We've made a good start, but have a ways to go.
At urban forestry board meetings, we've discussed the possibility of permitting tree companies, but we have a long way to go (writing a forest management plan) before we can get into these finer points.
k
rfwoodvt
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- This side of eternity.
Re: I\'ll have 2 oaks extra topping please.
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Unfortunately, the inspectors are already overworked and unless someone complains, nothing is likely to be done (new developments are monitored, but not private residences in established neighborhoods).
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Same problem in Charlotte Cty FL. Plenty of rules on the books, no-one to enforce.
When we go into a neighborhood prior to working in one we hand deliver flyers with our No Topping Allowed message attached. Doesn't always change minds and attitudes but its a start.
I figure most people just don't know better. Hey, if their doctor told them to take a quart of vinegar and salt every day most people would not think to hard about it just "'cause the Doc said"
Same way with what many have heard from "Tree Doctors" Old wives tales die hard.
I figure that at least I can start to make a difference.
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Unfortunately, the inspectors are already overworked and unless someone complains, nothing is likely to be done (new developments are monitored, but not private residences in established neighborhoods).
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Same problem in Charlotte Cty FL. Plenty of rules on the books, no-one to enforce.
When we go into a neighborhood prior to working in one we hand deliver flyers with our No Topping Allowed message attached. Doesn't always change minds and attitudes but its a start.
I figure most people just don't know better. Hey, if their doctor told them to take a quart of vinegar and salt every day most people would not think to hard about it just "'cause the Doc said"
Same way with what many have heard from "Tree Doctors" Old wives tales die hard.
I figure that at least I can start to make a difference.
guymayor
Branched out member
- Location
- East US, Earth
Re: I\'ll have 2 oaks extra topping please.
I agree talking to the owners who bought topping is useless. I like to pepper the neighbors with Why Topping is Bad for Trees info, in hopes the practice does not spread on a Monkey-Do basis, which is apparently how most of this idiocy happens.
That, and advocate for proper crown reduction. /forum/images/graemlins/applaudit.gif
I agree talking to the owners who bought topping is useless. I like to pepper the neighbors with Why Topping is Bad for Trees info, in hopes the practice does not spread on a Monkey-Do basis, which is apparently how most of this idiocy happens.
That, and advocate for proper crown reduction. /forum/images/graemlins/applaudit.gif
Re: I\'ll have 2 oaks extra topping please.
i will be moving to Indiana in a few weeks, seems like EVERY tree in the town that i will be living in has been topped at least once. looked in the phone book, only 4 tree service companies listed, 2 list topping as a service, and my in-laws said that 1 does horrible job. other company is a fertalizing company so they do not do much tree pruning and such. looks like no more tree work for me.
time to put my food service training into action
i will be moving to Indiana in a few weeks, seems like EVERY tree in the town that i will be living in has been topped at least once. looked in the phone book, only 4 tree service companies listed, 2 list topping as a service, and my in-laws said that 1 does horrible job. other company is a fertalizing company so they do not do much tree pruning and such. looks like no more tree work for me.
time to put my food service training into action
Re: I\'ll have 2 oaks extra topping please.
I know in Maine up around my parts you need to have a licensed arborist to do tree work COMMERCAILY like through a bussiness And he has to be on the job site and in New hampshire only the owner of the company needs a license. But that doesnt stop the Beer money tree workers from doing that Kind of work. Notice my signature?
I know in Maine up around my parts you need to have a licensed arborist to do tree work COMMERCAILY like through a bussiness And he has to be on the job site and in New hampshire only the owner of the company needs a license. But that doesnt stop the Beer money tree workers from doing that Kind of work. Notice my signature?
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- Victoria , B.C.
Re: I\'ll have 2 oaks extra topping please.
Mark, just simply drop off a "why tree topping hurts " flyer , in the persons post box. Actually drop off two copies so that the homeowner can send one off to the contractor !
Mark, just simply drop off a "why tree topping hurts " flyer , in the persons post box. Actually drop off two copies so that the homeowner can send one off to the contractor !
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- Home of the New Jersey Devils
Re: I\'ll have 2 oaks extra topping please.
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Mark, just simply drop off a "why tree topping hurts " flyer , in the persons post box. Actually drop off two copies so that the homeowner can send one off to the contractor !
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Yeah, I should do that. /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Mark, just simply drop off a "why tree topping hurts " flyer , in the persons post box. Actually drop off two copies so that the homeowner can send one off to the contractor !
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Yeah, I should do that. /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Re: I\'ll have 2 oaks extra topping please.
after a good night out, i walked home at 6am and passed a tree, a large diam beech and looked up it had been topped a few times over, i contemplated going in but figured the drunk ramblings of someone at 6am who cant really hear that well due to the noise in a club (i'm gonna get ear plugs for nights out, tinitus is not what i want)isnt the best way forward. on the bus the other day i got really odd looks when i procliamed 'fecking muppets, butchering that tree again' bus drove further up the road, similar gang working again, ladder against the dense regrown crown and some guy climbing it with a saw in hand, no ppe at either site, wanted to get off and watch and then go and give them grief, but as i had new bits for my stereo and new snowboard stuff i decided against it.
topping sucks, why folk think it looks good is beyond me.
thats my ramblings over
jamie
after a good night out, i walked home at 6am and passed a tree, a large diam beech and looked up it had been topped a few times over, i contemplated going in but figured the drunk ramblings of someone at 6am who cant really hear that well due to the noise in a club (i'm gonna get ear plugs for nights out, tinitus is not what i want)isnt the best way forward. on the bus the other day i got really odd looks when i procliamed 'fecking muppets, butchering that tree again' bus drove further up the road, similar gang working again, ladder against the dense regrown crown and some guy climbing it with a saw in hand, no ppe at either site, wanted to get off and watch and then go and give them grief, but as i had new bits for my stereo and new snowboard stuff i decided against it.
topping sucks, why folk think it looks good is beyond me.
thats my ramblings over
jamie
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- healdsburg, CA
Re: I\'ll have 2 oaks extra topping please.
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time to put my food service training into action
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I'm sorry for you!
Try turning it around and become the best tree service ever in your new area.
Might be some lean times until you get going but the area may be ripe for a professional company to move in
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time to put my food service training into action
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I'm sorry for you!
Try turning it around and become the best tree service ever in your new area.
Might be some lean times until you get going but the area may be ripe for a professional company to move in
Re: I\'ll have 2 oaks extra topping please.
Topping has been practised for millenia ,we sure aren't going to put a stop to it in our life times sadly..
Topping has been practised for millenia ,we sure aren't going to put a stop to it in our life times sadly..
Phil
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- Oak Lawn, IL
Re: I\'ll have 2 oaks extra topping please.
maybe over the years it got confused with pollarding trees, a method used to produce firewood continually from one tree without killing it. It looks like topping, but the cuts are made at the same node/branch union every year. It looks goofy, but it beats cutting down tree after tree after tree when you can get it all from one.
maybe over the years it got confused with pollarding trees, a method used to produce firewood continually from one tree without killing it. It looks like topping, but the cuts are made at the same node/branch union every year. It looks goofy, but it beats cutting down tree after tree after tree when you can get it all from one.
