how it's done out west.

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I worked with a guy from Ohio.
I think he wanted to be sure that I knew he wasn't a tree hugging pansy. I have a beard, Wesco's, full brim hard hat. This guy had an AA in forestry, and he spent a lot of time telling me about how he "set his professor straight on harvesting". Telling me about his opinions on clear cutting and jobs and the environment and telling me and telling me. I just let him roll. It's complex, multi-faceted. I'm not interested in discussing it, for the most part. I let him carry on, the truck bumped along the gravel road, as he railed against democrats and politicised every move, every decision, everybody. We stopped at a heavy welded yellow gate, with an unimagineably expensive lock. He talked about tree-sitters and hippies and working men. Talk, Talk, Talk.

We walked up the road about a hundred yards, the heavy gravel crunched under our feet. You could see the cleared area ahead, a lighter grey in the heavy mist. We stepped out of the woods, across the cut boundary. the standing trunks tagged with yellow signs proclaiming ownership, some trees painted blue around the trunk. He was quieter now, younger than me, but still breathless from the incline up the skid road. We stopped on a hill, and looked down. Silent. The rain and mist drifted around us and ran down our jackets and the beads collected and dripped off my glasses. We looked straight down to the river about 1000' below us, the ridges pushed up higher than the angle of repose, nothing to block the view. Every last tree stripped, the wide gashes from the highlead turns scraped bare down to the bedrock. A 60 degree slope, every rock, stick, and stump churned, blackened, the grey broken bones and twigs and sticks left in rings around the black craters where magnificient PUM piles once stood. How many acres? a couple hundred? Stumps as big as a garage, old spring board cuts, maybe 100 years old now. The remnants of trees that stood when Bruno Heceta sailed up one of the most dismal, dangerous, storm wracked coastlines in the world. A pile of Alder logs, left behind, not quite a full load for a trip to the mill, abandoned by the lack of economy, zig-zagged processor marks punched into the bark. He was really quiet now, and I wondered if he thought back to conversations he had back at Community College. Stumps that a 6' man could lay on with a foot to spare on either side of his head and feet. We looked at the clearcut and I showed him the tail-holds where the yarder sat, the landing, and talked about the hook tender and the chaser and the shovel operator. We talked about the fallers, and the public image of timber cutting in general. We talked about the big companies, and their land holdings, and their relationship with the US Forest Service. He didn't say much. Just looked around. "I have never seen anything like this" was his response when we got back to the truck. "Ya wanna see a really big one? A really big clear cut? This thing goes for miles!" I asked?
"No. I've seen enough, thanks".
We didn't discuss logging in the Pacific Northwest again. In the morning I can hear the groan of the yarder and skidders from my house. they're putting in culverts on the road up to the section I Elk hunt in, or used to anyway. By November, it will look like an atomic bomb went off. For now, the cutters drive new F-450s, but give it a little while. Soon the trees will be gone. The jobs will be gone. But the big timber companies and executives, they'll be fine, and so will the politicians.
 

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ive got better pics, but these give you the idea.
how about the juxtaposition of the new wood home construction against the slash pile? could I be more obvious, or what? Just what every coastal hamlet needs, a 4000 sq ft 5 bedroom home with a stucco exterior!
 

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Shhh, America doesn't want to know about the kids we bomb to get more oil for our Expeditions and we're hoping that blond chick wins America's Next Top Model and God bless George Bush, he's made us safer.
 
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You're right... that's a small one. Maybe you converted at least one hardass... maybe a 5th grade school class next. Experiences like that leave an impression.

Nice bit of writing... maybe you should make a book.
 
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Hardasses don't really convert - Stanford published a psychoanalysis rundown that basically found a mental deficiency in people who register as conservative Republicans.

"There is no global warming" is about as good as "we're winning".

The only hope is that they will breed themselves out of existance, as little boys don't produce eggs and lack a birth canal, these fundamental religious extremeists won't be able to reproduce themselves too much longer when seemigly they're always on the prowl for same-sex encounters but insist they vangaard for "family values".

I'd just ignore the redneck owl-eating minority, they're a dying breed.
 
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easy gentlemen, real people don't fit in to such easy descriptions. Democrats, Independents, Republicans, and non-voters all figure in to the picture, on all sides.
 
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Nah, just calling 'em as I see 'em.

No need to troll for fundie con-artist neo-cons, they stand out like a WalMart in any small American town. Anyone can spot them...just watch a Nascar race or for a Bush/Cheney sticker on their Lexus.
 
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Thanks Dooley!

No, it's not a troll thread, by any means. I dont have all the answers obviously. I enjoy wood working, have worked as a framer and a carpenter, my home is made of wood and I burn wood every winter in my woodstove. I live next door to a timber cutter, I know a few guys who work in the woods and have for a couple generations.
I also spend a lot of time in the woods myself, as a recreationalist, hunter, and taxpayer. I see the USFS charge increasing fees for recreation users, and fix culverts and roads that benefit the timber companies on the taxpayers dime. I see the big timber companies and their cut and run methodology, the boom and recession for the local communities. I get to see the drooling, out of area investor and developer snatch up every bit of available land, looking to put 1500 new homes in a community of 2000 people, with no new industry or means of support for working families.
Spotted owl, Marbled Murrelet, snowy plover... old growth timber and salmon. There are proffesional environmentalists, too. And their cause is so clean, so pure, but without it, they'd be out of a job. Ive talked with many fellow rock climbers, mountaineers, rafters, who all have strong opinions on the woods and logging. They have seen the wilderness... after a four hour one-way car ride from Portland, looked at the epiphytes and forest critters from behind a pair of Oakleys, shielded from the rain under a layer of Gortex and Polar fleece with wicking technology. They have the luxury of joining Sierra Club, voting green. How green can you be when you live in the midst of a major metropolitan area?
I spent a couple days babysitting a timber faller (his words), just to see how different it was from my job, and how my experience might stack up. The section he cut, he had cut twice previously. Average log was probably 20" on the butt. He said "people today have no connection to the land". I think what he said was correct. I don't think my kids would push away half a plate of food if they grew it and picked it themselves. If they saw a chicken get killed, they might not enjoy those chicken nuggets so much.
But one thing is undeniable. development and loss of wild spaces marches on. Whatever your political leaning, you cant see the Pacific Ocean as easily as you used to. A Republicans view can be obscured as easily as a Libertarians. When the news says "The Bush Administration has opened the Northwest to Logging" the trees are already coming down. Once the trees are down, and the land is chopped up with invisible lines on a piece of paper in a county office, thats the beggining of the end. One house, two houses, a family dream, a livelihood. Big box stores aren't far behind.
I posted those pics because they are irrefutable. Thats what happened, it's whats happening. The jobs and the critters and the trees and the politics of it are all up for debate, but right now, a guy is shutting his truck door, and when he opens it up again at 2:30pm this afternoon, another acre will be clear, and the title to that land is in the hands of a corporation that only cares about making money. And the guy that did the cutting will get his check at the end of the week, and this November, when he goes Elk hunting, will notice that there are fewer Elk and more hunters that in years previous. "Damn Californians" he'll say, and spit on the toe of his boot, and give a big sigh, because Monday it'll mean back to work.

I would encourage anyone interested in timber issues to read a book called "The Golden Spruce" It's a great story and paints a very accurate picture. One of the best lines in it is right at the beggining, something to the effect of 'Falling a tree has as much to do with logging, as having sex has to do with being a parent.'
 
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Many interesting points Speelyie...and loss of wildland is a concern to me...but one thing to remember is that if a piece of ground can be logged responsibly (e.g. its not too steep such that it will quickly erode away after logging) and it is done correctly and carefully, it will grow back.

It's when land is developed and paved etc that the wild world becomes smaller, and because the last 50 to 100 yrs have seen so much development its hard to welcome it as one might have in times when it was much less widespread.

Seems to me world wide population control and living humbly and with awareness of our dependence on the natural world is the key.
 
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hey speelyi
good writing,
looks like round my parts, (Humboldt) our economy sucks now the mills are gone and bankrupt
its not even worth taking a fir to the mill theses days.
im clearing lots right now for houses
not anything more than a paycheck, maybe i can keep a few trees preserved by responsible cutting , big bucks walking thru the residential areas, (got a 22) cause i can stand to have some meat in the freezer.
ahh but it all works out in the end
 

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