Ground Man article
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Re: Ground Worker article
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The first couple of lines in that article about having to wear deodorant and not borrowing money are pretty juvenile. Was it written for a professional or a child?
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So your having a problem with those two things? Sounds pretty miniscule to me. What's wrong with wearing deodorant? Why would you want to even think about borrowing money?
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The first couple of lines in that article about having to wear deodorant and not borrowing money are pretty juvenile. Was it written for a professional or a child?
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So your having a problem with those two things? Sounds pretty miniscule to me. What's wrong with wearing deodorant? Why would you want to even think about borrowing money?
Re: Ground Worker article
There is nothing wrong with wearing some speedstick and the notion that borrowing money is wrong is not something to put into a manual directed to a core of workers aspiring towards the position.
Kind of implies they're not going to make shat, so why even bother?
There is nothing wrong with wearing some speedstick and the notion that borrowing money is wrong is not something to put into a manual directed to a core of workers aspiring towards the position.
Kind of implies they're not going to make shat, so why even bother?
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- North of Boston
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Ever sat in a truck next to a guy, hot out or not who refuses to have personal hygiene?
Why would any new hire ask to borrow money? ive worked with a few guys like this, it gets annoying real quick!!!!
What else plaques a young icepick?
Ever sat in a truck next to a guy, hot out or not who refuses to have personal hygiene?
Why would any new hire ask to borrow money? ive worked with a few guys like this, it gets annoying real quick!!!!
What else plaques a young icepick?
Gerald_Beranek
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- Ft. Bragg, Ca.
Re: Ground Worker article
Ah, the Groundman. They are so essential. 90 percent of my work could never have been done without one.
That guy on the ground is more valuable than most people give them credit them for.
I have worked with the best, the totally ignorant, and ones with bad attitudes.
I can work with the first two and have the patience and respect for them no matter the circumstance, but a groundie with a bad attitude I have no tolerance for.
And that is the flip side of what an excellent groundman is all about.
This work can not be done without them. They need the best training to give you the best performance.
Never undersell a good groundman.
Ah, the Groundman. They are so essential. 90 percent of my work could never have been done without one.
That guy on the ground is more valuable than most people give them credit them for.
I have worked with the best, the totally ignorant, and ones with bad attitudes.
I can work with the first two and have the patience and respect for them no matter the circumstance, but a groundie with a bad attitude I have no tolerance for.
And that is the flip side of what an excellent groundman is all about.
This work can not be done without them. They need the best training to give you the best performance.
Never undersell a good groundman.
- Location
- NJ
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It's out of control ego's that are a problem... you know, the ones that think THEY are the only one and everybody else is just a douchebag? "Ok ok, sure there are exceptions."
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Your mothers been telling stories about me again?
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You're right, I do have an ego, and confidence to boot and will back it up anytime, anyplace.
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Ha! If I had 100 bucks for all the guys that have said this I wouldn't even have to work anymore.
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It's out of control ego's that are a problem... you know, the ones that think THEY are the only one and everybody else is just a douchebag? "Ok ok, sure there are exceptions."
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Your mothers been telling stories about me again?
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You're right, I do have an ego, and confidence to boot and will back it up anytime, anyplace.
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Ha! If I had 100 bucks for all the guys that have said this I wouldn't even have to work anymore.
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- tulsa oklahoma
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Icepick you obviously have not been in the industry as long as you say you have......or so it seems. In my first month of tree work several years ago I was around several guys who could of used a little hygiene advice. I have been around guys like that on and off. Just because someone is a bit "dirty" doesnt mean they are poor workers, groundies or climbers. They may just need a little direction.
D.W.H
Icepick you obviously have not been in the industry as long as you say you have......or so it seems. In my first month of tree work several years ago I was around several guys who could of used a little hygiene advice. I have been around guys like that on and off. Just because someone is a bit "dirty" doesnt mean they are poor workers, groundies or climbers. They may just need a little direction.
D.W.H
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- New England
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Ice pick/Blinky Blinky/Icepick .....shanty..... It all gets chipped and raked up. lighten up.
Ice pick/Blinky Blinky/Icepick .....shanty..... It all gets chipped and raked up. lighten up.
southsoundtree
Been here much more than a while
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- Olympia, WA
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I think that the article is written at least, if not much more, from an owner's perspective.
If there was no reason for it to be written, it wouldn't have been, in my estimation.
I think that the article is written at least, if not much more, from an owner's perspective.
If there was no reason for it to be written, it wouldn't have been, in my estimation.
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- Chapel Hill, NC
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Ice pick/Blinky Blinky/Icepick .....shanty..... It all gets chipped and raked up. lighten up.
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Thanks and all but I'm plenty light... arguing with trolls is sort of a pastime for me when I'm bored.
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Ice pick/Blinky Blinky/Icepick .....shanty..... It all gets chipped and raked up. lighten up.
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Thanks and all but I'm plenty light... arguing with trolls is sort of a pastime for me when I'm bored.
- Location
- South Jersey
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Hello all. I read the article and, not being a ground worker or production climber, thought it was pretty informative.
I got the idea the article was written as a guide for a new ground worker or someone thinking of becoming a ground worker.
Most things I thought were common sense like #1. "Show up for work on time, rested, and sober" and "Maintain good personal hygiene".
These things I think pertain to most employment but I can see why this might be mentioned.
Other things might not be common knowledge to a new ground worker, like #22. "Look for "bellies", tangles, and hang-ups. Do not pull out a belly without asking; but do ask".
I can understand how a experienced ground worker might find it uninformative or even insulting because they already know those things and don't have to be told.
So my questions are: Was the article written mainly as a guide for a new ground worker? Is the article not helpful to an experienced ground worker? and, Is there any part of the article that is not accurate?
-BarnHouse
Hello all. I read the article and, not being a ground worker or production climber, thought it was pretty informative.
I got the idea the article was written as a guide for a new ground worker or someone thinking of becoming a ground worker.
Most things I thought were common sense like #1. "Show up for work on time, rested, and sober" and "Maintain good personal hygiene".
These things I think pertain to most employment but I can see why this might be mentioned.
Other things might not be common knowledge to a new ground worker, like #22. "Look for "bellies", tangles, and hang-ups. Do not pull out a belly without asking; but do ask".
I can understand how a experienced ground worker might find it uninformative or even insulting because they already know those things and don't have to be told.
So my questions are: Was the article written mainly as a guide for a new ground worker? Is the article not helpful to an experienced ground worker? and, Is there any part of the article that is not accurate?
-BarnHouse
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- Retired in Minneapolis
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There is a misunderstanding about the 'article' about being an excellent groundie.
I think that Butch started a thread on A'site. a few years ago. The contributors added to it line by line. When it grew to a substantial size the contributions were collated and organized. The contributors may be owner-operators but I doubt that many of the people who wrote in are regional or division managers. It would surprise me if any of the additions were made by people who didn't spend a good portion of the week hanging from a rope, wielding a chainsaw or finessing a rake. This is certainly not something that came down from the Ivory Tower.
Sure, there are some things that are more obvious to some people but there are plenty of points that bear mentioning. Would a new groundie be fired if they didn't follow all of the points? Whew, I sure hope not. But, the sooner a groundie learned basics the better.
I started a companion thread to solicit ideas for making an Excellent climber---from the groundie's perspective:
http://tinyurl.com/yhlj5ur
There is a misunderstanding about the 'article' about being an excellent groundie.
I think that Butch started a thread on A'site. a few years ago. The contributors added to it line by line. When it grew to a substantial size the contributions were collated and organized. The contributors may be owner-operators but I doubt that many of the people who wrote in are regional or division managers. It would surprise me if any of the additions were made by people who didn't spend a good portion of the week hanging from a rope, wielding a chainsaw or finessing a rake. This is certainly not something that came down from the Ivory Tower.
Sure, there are some things that are more obvious to some people but there are plenty of points that bear mentioning. Would a new groundie be fired if they didn't follow all of the points? Whew, I sure hope not. But, the sooner a groundie learned basics the better.
I started a companion thread to solicit ideas for making an Excellent climber---from the groundie's perspective:
http://tinyurl.com/yhlj5ur
Daniel
Carpal tunnel level member
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- Suburban Philadelphia (Wayne)
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This is where the article came from:
http://arboristsite.com/showthread.php?t=14578
just before I dropped off the scene at AS for four years..
The thread has been heavily redacted as Butch removed many of his beginning posts... I was checking to see, cause I thought I wrote the part about raking in one direction, which I did....
I was working the bucket on Thursday... I must have lowered 100 pieces out of this backyard oak... natural crotched through two high crotches and then often using a little sattelite shackle and sling for the final lowering point, like a redirect.. When the rope was coming back the guys are trained to tie a knot in the end of the line, so it doesn't pull through the shackle... One guy was tying a slipped overhand knot and the other tying an overhand knot on a bend.. Those extra couple of seconds it took to untie the latter knot, were really starting to bother me... Big tree, started at 1 PM.. need to get done... Lots of cuts... SECONDS MATTER...... a lot...
Screaming "the rope... flip me the rope" 10x at the top of your lungs at an inexperienced groundie as he is looking up, shrugging his shoulders with a glazed look in his eyes, will make an good climber appreciate a groundman that can practically read his mind, anticipate his needs, and get that rope back ASAP.
ps.. if you're a groundie and you want to keep your climber happy... put a slip in that sheet bend, the next time he asks you to tie on the lowering line.. Watch him look down at you and smile!!!
This is where the article came from:
http://arboristsite.com/showthread.php?t=14578
just before I dropped off the scene at AS for four years..
The thread has been heavily redacted as Butch removed many of his beginning posts... I was checking to see, cause I thought I wrote the part about raking in one direction, which I did....
I was working the bucket on Thursday... I must have lowered 100 pieces out of this backyard oak... natural crotched through two high crotches and then often using a little sattelite shackle and sling for the final lowering point, like a redirect.. When the rope was coming back the guys are trained to tie a knot in the end of the line, so it doesn't pull through the shackle... One guy was tying a slipped overhand knot and the other tying an overhand knot on a bend.. Those extra couple of seconds it took to untie the latter knot, were really starting to bother me... Big tree, started at 1 PM.. need to get done... Lots of cuts... SECONDS MATTER...... a lot...
Screaming "the rope... flip me the rope" 10x at the top of your lungs at an inexperienced groundie as he is looking up, shrugging his shoulders with a glazed look in his eyes, will make an good climber appreciate a groundman that can practically read his mind, anticipate his needs, and get that rope back ASAP.
ps.. if you're a groundie and you want to keep your climber happy... put a slip in that sheet bend, the next time he asks you to tie on the lowering line.. Watch him look down at you and smile!!!
Re: Ground Worker article
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It would be great if someone could post the article.
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http://www.treebuzz.com/pdf/0505_handbook.pdf
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It would be great if someone could post the article.
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http://www.treebuzz.com/pdf/0505_handbook.pdf
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- BC, Canada
Re: Ground Worker article
.. When the rope was coming back the guys are trained to tie a knot in the end of the line, so it doesn't pull through the shackle... One guy was tying a slipped overhand knot and the other tying an overhand knot on a bend.. Those extra couple of seconds it took to untie the latter knot, were really starting to bother me... Big tree, started at 1 PM.. need to get done... Lots of cuts... SECONDS MATTER...... a lot...
Daniel,
Start rigging with a sling (loop runner) and a 'biner and put a smile on everyone's face...
Northwind
.. When the rope was coming back the guys are trained to tie a knot in the end of the line, so it doesn't pull through the shackle... One guy was tying a slipped overhand knot and the other tying an overhand knot on a bend.. Those extra couple of seconds it took to untie the latter knot, were really starting to bother me... Big tree, started at 1 PM.. need to get done... Lots of cuts... SECONDS MATTER...... a lot...
Daniel,
Start rigging with a sling (loop runner) and a 'biner and put a smile on everyone's face...
Northwind
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I'm with NW... even using just a biner on light loads instead of a knot can greatly increase the turnaround time. My light rigging ropes have spliced eyes for just that reason.
(c) NeTree, all rights reserved
I'm with NW... even using just a biner on light loads instead of a knot can greatly increase the turnaround time. My light rigging ropes have spliced eyes for just that reason.
(c) NeTree, all rights reserved
