To be honest I just couldn't be bothered playing around with all this generic stuff, me personally just buy the pulley saver ( got both lengths ) and be done with it....ring/ring now that's different I like some sexy rope with DMM rings and adjustable prussic.... to each his own though, I understand lots love the creative aspect, not me though...lol...
Friction Savers....PulleySaver
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tuttle
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- Somewhere in the 21st century
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Ohhhhh. Thats the retrieval snap. The narrow ring must pop through the pinto and catch on the snap im imagining?
I thought for some reason you had that being used as the eye of a friction saver, release it and it comes undone!
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yes thats the plan, the ring goes swiftly through the pinto, and traps on the snap, that ring is a few mm bigger than the ones i use now.
the snap is clever because you can use it one handed, and its easy to open and close, it does lock and its rated at 1200kgs.
not sure what you mean by terrifying.
this is one of my savers...for example..
Ohhhhh. Thats the retrieval snap. The narrow ring must pop through the pinto and catch on the snap im imagining?
I thought for some reason you had that being used as the eye of a friction saver, release it and it comes undone!
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yes thats the plan, the ring goes swiftly through the pinto, and traps on the snap, that ring is a few mm bigger than the ones i use now.
the snap is clever because you can use it one handed, and its easy to open and close, it does lock and its rated at 1200kgs.
not sure what you mean by terrifying.
this is one of my savers...for example..
moss
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Carlisle, Massachusetts, U.S.
Tuttle, love your stuff. Soft ring is awesome. Saver looks to be total artistry.
-AJ
-AJ
- Location
- Orange, MA
I saw it once.....anyone else thought to put the pulley in place of the soft eye, and choke it through the prussic? Looked super slick for retrieval.
Might have been oceans, and he was using a cocoon and a large ring on the prussic?
Might have been oceans, and he was using a cocoon and a large ring on the prussic?
tuttle
New member
- Location
- Somewhere in the 21st century
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I saw it once.....anyone else thought to put the pulley in place of the soft eye, and choke it through the prussic? Looked super slick for retrieval.
Might have been oceans, and he was using a cocoon and a large ring on the prussic?
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I have seen those, mines 100% tough and always retrieves perfect everytime, its also super lightweight, I have also made ones as light as 400grams.
Cocoon's are a bit too expensive, pinto's are good value, plus you can pass your rope end through with your carabiner attached etc. which saves time and hassle.
I saw it once.....anyone else thought to put the pulley in place of the soft eye, and choke it through the prussic? Looked super slick for retrieval.
Might have been oceans, and he was using a cocoon and a large ring on the prussic?
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I have seen those, mines 100% tough and always retrieves perfect everytime, its also super lightweight, I have also made ones as light as 400grams.
Cocoon's are a bit too expensive, pinto's are good value, plus you can pass your rope end through with your carabiner attached etc. which saves time and hassle.
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- Austria, Europe
Yes, there are several ways to use a "reversed" Rope Guide. I just dont recommend using a prussic as it can be activated from the branch where it lays.
You can do nice setups with a whoopie sling with the Cocoon on the adjustable side f.e. ...
But coolest setup somehow is: just a piece of rope with a spliced eye and a Cocoon in it on on side and something to retrieve on the other hand. Nothing more.
Tie a butterfly as cinching knot.
It is so cool I think!
(Was that understandable at all?! Sorry for my English.)
P.S.: Why is it called prussic with ss in English? The guys name was Karl Prusik, he was an Austrian btw...
Wikipedia
You can do nice setups with a whoopie sling with the Cocoon on the adjustable side f.e. ...
But coolest setup somehow is: just a piece of rope with a spliced eye and a Cocoon in it on on side and something to retrieve on the other hand. Nothing more.
Tie a butterfly as cinching knot.
It is so cool I think!
(Was that understandable at all?! Sorry for my English.)
P.S.: Why is it called prussic with ss in English? The guys name was Karl Prusik, he was an Austrian btw...
Wikipedia
tuttle
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- Location
- Somewhere in the 21st century
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Yes, there are several ways to use a "reversed" Rope Guide. I just dont recommend using a prussic as it can be activated from the branch where it lays.
You can do nice setups with a whoopie sling with the Cocoon on the adjustable side f.e. ...
But coolest setup somehow is: just a piece of rope with a spliced eye and a Cocoon in it on on side and something to retrieve on the other hand. Nothing more.
Tie a butterfly as cinching knot.
It is so cool I think!
(Was that understandable at all?! Sorry for my English.)
P.S.: Why is it called prussic with ss in English? The guys name was Karl Prusik, he was an Austrian btw...
Wikipedia
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Its better to setup your pulley saver with a bit of slack, so the prusik is below the branch, some try too hard to jam everything tight thinking that will keep steadfast, but it makes no difference, the prusik is also pulled so tight it would take 8 squirrels and a screwdriver to release the prusik from its position.
prusik - is always spelt differently, I know the correct way, but you have to think of people searching the net, so you need to spell it 3 or 4 different ways, helps the hits etc.
Yes, there are several ways to use a "reversed" Rope Guide. I just dont recommend using a prussic as it can be activated from the branch where it lays.
You can do nice setups with a whoopie sling with the Cocoon on the adjustable side f.e. ...
But coolest setup somehow is: just a piece of rope with a spliced eye and a Cocoon in it on on side and something to retrieve on the other hand. Nothing more.
Tie a butterfly as cinching knot.
It is so cool I think!
(Was that understandable at all?! Sorry for my English.)
P.S.: Why is it called prussic with ss in English? The guys name was Karl Prusik, he was an Austrian btw...
Wikipedia
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Its better to setup your pulley saver with a bit of slack, so the prusik is below the branch, some try too hard to jam everything tight thinking that will keep steadfast, but it makes no difference, the prusik is also pulled so tight it would take 8 squirrels and a screwdriver to release the prusik from its position.
prusik - is always spelt differently, I know the correct way, but you have to think of people searching the net, so you need to spell it 3 or 4 different ways, helps the hits etc.
CutHighnLetFly
Been here a while
- Location
- Cape Cod, MA
came up with a real simple friction saver while i was home sick recently. just copied oldfart's idea of using the x ringing ring and a block in basket config, using a small DMM ring, a pinto (probably would be better with a rig tho...) instead. I attached the two to 5' split tail i had from when i used to climb off a blakes (ring is attached to the eye splice thats on it) and the pinto on a prussic to its adjustable. to retrieve it i just found a small shackle that my climbing line splice doesnt fit through and attached that with some pull cord line. sets real easy, can be retrieved from the ground even easier, and real low friction.
low budget and works great, everything can be removed so its interchangable with other stuff (can change it to a pulleySaver with a 3 1/2" ID ring on a prussic) doesnt look as clean as some of whats been posted here, but havent had a problem with it yet.
dont have any pics but if you understand what ive described and have any suggestions / similar creations, lemme hear em
low budget and works great, everything can be removed so its interchangable with other stuff (can change it to a pulleySaver with a 3 1/2" ID ring on a prussic) doesnt look as clean as some of whats been posted here, but havent had a problem with it yet.
dont have any pics but if you understand what ive described and have any suggestions / similar creations, lemme hear em
Richard Mumford-yoyoman
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- Atlanta GA
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P.S.: Why is it called prussic with ss in English? The guys name was Karl Prusik, he was an Austrian btw...
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Prusik is the knot
Prussic is the acid.........and most commonly found in spell checkers so people just accept it. (and soome, lik me, offten just mispell it.)
P.S.: Why is it called prussic with ss in English? The guys name was Karl Prusik, he was an Austrian btw...
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Prusik is the knot
Prussic is the acid.........and most commonly found in spell checkers so people just accept it. (and soome, lik me, offten just mispell it.)
oldfart
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- Asheville, NC
hey CutHigh,
I like your idea. It'll work. I can't tell if you're thinking for climbing or light rigging but let me make a comment out the Pinto and the Rig ...
No doubt that DMM would tell you that the Pintos aren't for impact forces. But if I ever used them for light rigging, where OCCSIONALLY ACCIDENTALLY it might see light impact, I would, strangly, choose the Pinto over the Pinto Rig. Bushing, not ball bearing (which will peen the races). They're both the same strength and a double leg of 1/2" stable braid is already stronger than the device, so you can't use the bigger strength.
On the other hand, if you need to use a retrieval ball (ala Teuf), you need the Rig to pass the ball to the snap.
OF
I like your idea. It'll work. I can't tell if you're thinking for climbing or light rigging but let me make a comment out the Pinto and the Rig ...
No doubt that DMM would tell you that the Pintos aren't for impact forces. But if I ever used them for light rigging, where OCCSIONALLY ACCIDENTALLY it might see light impact, I would, strangly, choose the Pinto over the Pinto Rig. Bushing, not ball bearing (which will peen the races). They're both the same strength and a double leg of 1/2" stable braid is already stronger than the device, so you can't use the bigger strength.
On the other hand, if you need to use a retrieval ball (ala Teuf), you need the Rig to pass the ball to the snap.
OF
CutHighnLetFly
Been here a while
- Location
- Cape Cod, MA
its for climbing. i was thinking the rig would be better only because the eye splice sometimes needs some convincing to pass thru the pinto when setting from the ground. But i use a small metal snap thru pinto to attach it to the PRUSIK (thx yoyoman), so this makes it a little tighter for the eye splice to pass
t. hoffman your videos are very helpful i really enjoy watching 'em
t. hoffman your videos are very helpful i really enjoy watching 'em
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- Austria, Europe
Thanks for clarifiyng on the Prusik Yoyoman!
- Location
- St. Paul, MN
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No doubt that DMM would tell you that the Pintos aren't for impact forces. But if I ever used them for light rigging, where OCCSIONALLY ACCIDENTALLY it might see light impact, I would, strangly, choose the Pinto over the Pinto Rig. Bushing, not ball bearing (which will peen the races).
OF
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Tom,
Why would PINTO's not tolerate impact forces? Simply, do not exceed the Working Load Limit, ... bearing or bushing.
No doubt that DMM would tell you that the Pintos aren't for impact forces. But if I ever used them for light rigging, where OCCSIONALLY ACCIDENTALLY it might see light impact, I would, strangly, choose the Pinto over the Pinto Rig. Bushing, not ball bearing (which will peen the races).
OF
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Tom,
Why would PINTO's not tolerate impact forces? Simply, do not exceed the Working Load Limit, ... bearing or bushing.
oldfart
Participating member
- Location
- Asheville, NC
Hi Taylor,
Of course you're right. ... But nobody's got that slick little force meter you had at the workshop.
How's about giving us some guidelines? What works for you?
If you needed to drop something marginally big, which would you rather put the rope through:
1). The pinto sheave
2). The rig sheave
3). The pinto becket directly
4). A steel 50 kN biner clipped into the pinto becket
?
All four choices are rated 50kN, but I don't know thw smart choice.
Tom
Of course you're right. ... But nobody's got that slick little force meter you had at the workshop.
How's about giving us some guidelines? What works for you?
If you needed to drop something marginally big, which would you rather put the rope through:
1). The pinto sheave
2). The rig sheave
3). The pinto becket directly
4). A steel 50 kN biner clipped into the pinto becket
?
All four choices are rated 50kN, but I don't know thw smart choice.
Tom
- Location
- St. Paul, MN
Well, the "marginally big" qualifier aside... I really don't like those kind of terms. I'll just keep rigging any which way and any which size and any which weight that will not exceed the WLL of the particular piece(s) of gear I'm using.
Out of those choices, I would choose the PINTO Rig for the following reasons:
Less friction.
Faster rope speed.
Larger bend radius.
Larger rope diameter. (probably splitting hairs, here)
Out of those choices, I would choose the PINTO Rig for the following reasons:
Less friction.
Faster rope speed.
Larger bend radius.
Larger rope diameter. (probably splitting hairs, here)
oldfart
Participating member
- Location
- Asheville, NC
Agreed ... It's a term I hate to hear, particularly on a date.
tuttle
New member
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- Somewhere in the 21st century
This is my latest prototype, weighs just 280grams.
6mm rope rated at 2000kgs
pinto spliced to vectran rated at 3350kgs
rings are for recovery.
6mm rope rated at 2000kgs
pinto spliced to vectran rated at 3350kgs
rings are for recovery.
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