French Pine Takedown

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Well worth a look for all here at Treebuzz, there are more talking points in these two videos than all of Daniel's videos combined -
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Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QspZJoBRB...index=2web page

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsa5yjt_k7U&playnext=1&list=PL5551B1281E9DB218&index=1
 
i like the rolotube. but catching a big saw like that one armed has to take its toll on the shoulders. great rigging and rigging devices. i might have gone a little bigger myself but video is hard to tell sometimes. what kind of rigging device was that?
 
Ive seen that style before. you dont have to switch over to anything once you commence working. somebody rocked that at the masters challenge in penn dell in 07 or 08.
 
Wow that was seriously weak. Leave it to the French to have a video highlighting all their nifty gear with some flailing amateurs doing the work.

Pretty sure any self respecting PNW arb would call that a 1 climber-2 groundie-1 day job.

How do you say 'Making it look hard' in French again?
 
It's not that radical. Just a friction hitch on the fall AND lead of the line. for a total of two hitches. To footlock you advance them both simultaneously. For work, you choose one or the other.

The limitations are:

1) You must be constantly aware of both ends of the rope. Should you use this system without a REALLY long rope, and/or stopper knots 8' from each end, you are reckless or foolish.

2) If you ever consider using either terminal end for an anchor (i.e "M" redirect) your hitch/hitches must be symmetrical.

Give it a try. A nice tool for the ol' tool box!

Tony
 
no one got hurt, nothing got broken. good job. knots are free. small pieces are the way to go in a lot of situations. someone thought I was you and you were me on the buzz. They thought you were faking it and pretending to be me. what a bunch of judgy people. how many psuedopens do they have?
 
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I think that they are working both hitches simultaneously, giving you a non-SRT hitch system without fighting friction of a moving rope. Each rope takes half the climber's weight, allowing good hitch action.
 
Coulda brushed it out in the am and had a crane for the wood in the pm. Road right there...seemed to be lots of wood. Considering they had around 900 men on the ground, it seems like it would have been just as cost effective.

I dunno....3 guys one day, what kind of equipment you bringing in? You must have some bomber guys working with ya. Lotta brush on that thing, not to mention the wood. Wasn't spectacular, but it wasn't awful either...I think we've all seen a lot worse.
 
Always tough to tell from a video, but it looked like they could have used the lead over the road to lower the whole top and some wood from the main stem, taking much bigger pieces as they'd be swinging away from the climber, and making it MUCH easier to handle on the ground.

Thought the rolotube was cool but I think its easier to rope that wood down, than stand in the hooks with the saw throwing dust like that. I can't remember the last time I blocked a tree down like that.

Was not impressed with the notch and back cut of the fall. There was clearly a slight bypass on the notch.

That said, it was excellent video, both the shoot and the editing. Showed some cool stuff. I originally thought they were sending the second climber up for video shooting only. Maybe they took turns, one shot video, while the other cut. Otherwide they may not have used two climbers.

And I would like to try the large accessory biner on the saddle for the saw.
 
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What, the guys footlocking when they could've effortlessly ran up on spurs?

The groundworker's continual and seemingly pointless hanging onto the rigging-line instead of allowing the load to run?

The winching/raising logs at 50+ft in a clear open space for no apparent reason.... to make it worse, the guy scuttling up the pole to get out of the way....even though by the very nature of winching thus shortening the distance means that it couldn't possibly have swung back and reached him had he stayed where he was originally? kind of a double insult then, I could go on, the sloping cuts on the spar....

Yeah it was cool Dan, guys trying hard to look cool. Cant stand that in treeworkers.
 
All good points, I particularly noticed the time he needlessly swung over to the other stem, "scuttling" as you put it, (and it looked like he used a snap cut there too). There was lots of stuff like that, but I wasn't taking notes. I would have done things a lot differently, mostly taken a lot bigger stuff.. Looks like there was plenty of room to drop a much bigger spar etc.

If Big Jon was in that tree, it would have been like boot camp for those groundies. He'd have been three times as fast as both those climbers put together. That is no exageration. And if you're not ready on that rope when he's ready to make the cut, he won't wait for you. He cuts anyway!!! LOL that keeps you on your toes.

Still the post-production inserts showed a lot of cool gear that hadn't been put into video like that before. That was a great effort at making a video. You of all people know that it isn't an easy thing to do.

And as far as looking cool... what's wrong with that? Its not my thing obviously, but give 'em a break. The best comp climber in Penn-Del only asks one thing when he comes out of tree on a regualr work day.. "How did I look"?
 
I get the feeling those fellows do a lot more pruning than this kind of removal. The job did get done more or less safely, they likely just don't have the experience to be efficient.

That being said, I think it's unfortunate when climbers don't develop a high level of proficiency on spurs. Any well rounded tree worker should be comfortable enough on the things to get up that tree without fooling around with throwlines and footlocking, then getting the gaffs sent up later, or (please no) leaving stubs to stand on.

Also, put a shorter bar on the 660 or whatever it was.
 
Ya the bar looked a little big. There is nothing wrong with pre-setting throw lines and lowering lines though, but at least if you are going to that trouble, start working the tree on your way up.
 
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