- Location
- AZ
Gotta learn that double rope walker technique for next time. or work on my srt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d69By4GyCFo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d69By4GyCFo
Floating ddrt for palm prune
- Thread starter Rocks_and_Trees
- Start date
Maybe if the tree had a dangerous bag on it.
I think you're damaging the young crown/frond integrity unnecessarily when you descend, a double wrapped friction saver is far better to descend with, and easier to retrieve from the ground.
Mess up the integrity of a palm crown and serious damage or death is almost certain as a direct consequence.
Hanging knicked fronds are all to common on freshly pruned mex-fans.
Pruning a palm up over the 90 degree lateral fronds is also very detrimental to the palm's health and trunk dia growth being consistent. Little skinny dia spots on a palm's trunk width going up indicate amateur climbers in the past making the same mistake you did in your vid.
Sorry, but how else can you remedy the problem?
jomoco
I think you're damaging the young crown/frond integrity unnecessarily when you descend, a double wrapped friction saver is far better to descend with, and easier to retrieve from the ground.
Mess up the integrity of a palm crown and serious damage or death is almost certain as a direct consequence.
Hanging knicked fronds are all to common on freshly pruned mex-fans.
Pruning a palm up over the 90 degree lateral fronds is also very detrimental to the palm's health and trunk dia growth being consistent. Little skinny dia spots on a palm's trunk width going up indicate amateur climbers in the past making the same mistake you did in your vid.
Sorry, but how else can you remedy the problem?
jomoco
- Location
- Phoenix Arizona
Im afraid I can not let you talk to Andy like that.
Ill try to keep this a civil as I know how....
Shut the hellup you moron!
Why must you say something negative about EVERYONE?!?!
He didnt want to knock the peelings off....oh nevermind you twit! Ill bet Rocks is 10 times the climbner youll ever be.
Still waiting for the biscut catching system...LAME!
I have read you bad mouth all skill levels from Mark Chisolm all the way down to me. Your a jerk.
Show us somthing for god sakes.
You look up to Reg so much huh? how about you try to emulate his humbleness a bit more.
I so dont like you right now.
Ill be at the CAA climbing invitational in SanFrancisco.
YOu compete ...wow me...and Ill shut up.
jerk
Ill try to keep this a civil as I know how....
Shut the hellup you moron!
Why must you say something negative about EVERYONE?!?!
He didnt want to knock the peelings off....oh nevermind you twit! Ill bet Rocks is 10 times the climbner youll ever be.
Still waiting for the biscut catching system...LAME!
I have read you bad mouth all skill levels from Mark Chisolm all the way down to me. Your a jerk.
Show us somthing for god sakes.
You look up to Reg so much huh? how about you try to emulate his humbleness a bit more.
I so dont like you right now.
Ill be at the CAA climbing invitational in SanFrancisco.
YOu compete ...wow me...and Ill shut up.
jerk
- Location
- Phoenix Arizona
jerk
Rather than getting all riled, how about pointing out the arboreal related mistakes/untruths I make in my posting here Jesse?
Is this a professional arborist forum or a mutual admiration society based on fallacies as standard business practice?
Ekka's a palm expert, I wonder if he supports extreme palm marine haircuts?
jomoco
Is this a professional arborist forum or a mutual admiration society based on fallacies as standard business practice?
Ekka's a palm expert, I wonder if he supports extreme palm marine haircuts?
jomoco
- Location
- AZ
I ascended the palm in that manner so as not to knock off all the old peel. If you can't understand that, than you obviously have minimal experience with palms like this which can be very diffiulct to spike up.
I've done many palms like this and none have died as a result. Unfortunately many folks here do not share your sentiment for fan palms. I always recommend 90 degrees or more, but many people want to see them well pruned. I never trim beyond 45 degrees however, which leaves approximately 8-10 live fronds on an average Mex. fan. And I NEVER knick fronds.
I've done many palms like this and none have died as a result. Unfortunately many folks here do not share your sentiment for fan palms. I always recommend 90 degrees or more, but many people want to see them well pruned. I never trim beyond 45 degrees however, which leaves approximately 8-10 live fronds on an average Mex. fan. And I NEVER knick fronds.
- Location
- Longmont, CO
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I ascended the palm in that manner so as not to knock off all the old peel. If you can't understand that, than you obviously have minimal experience with palms like this which can be very diffiulct to spike up.
I've done many palms like this and none have died as a result. Unfortunately many folks here do not share your sentiment for fan palms. I always recommend 90 degrees or more, but many people want to see them well pruned. I never trim beyond 45 degrees however, which leaves approximately 8-10 live fronds on an average Mex. fan. And I NEVER knick fronds.
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And that cleared it all up. I'm sure Javi, from So-Cal, would agree with this as well...
If I had palms to climb, I'd do the same.
I ascended the palm in that manner so as not to knock off all the old peel. If you can't understand that, than you obviously have minimal experience with palms like this which can be very diffiulct to spike up.
I've done many palms like this and none have died as a result. Unfortunately many folks here do not share your sentiment for fan palms. I always recommend 90 degrees or more, but many people want to see them well pruned. I never trim beyond 45 degrees however, which leaves approximately 8-10 live fronds on an average Mex. fan. And I NEVER knick fronds.
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And that cleared it all up. I'm sure Javi, from So-Cal, would agree with this as well...
If I had palms to climb, I'd do the same.
- Location
- AZ
Also, the palm had about 3 years growth which is the point where I start to consider using a srt for entry. I could've spiked up if I had to, and if I had a big enough ladder I'd certainlly use it.
Growing up in SoCal as an arborist since the age of 14 has familiarized me with quite a few species of palms R&T, mex-fans in particular. Peeling them with carpet knives is one of the more exhausting and dirty workouts in this biz.
Other than the high trim I think you did a good job, including getting all the fruit cut out of the head.
May I ask which cutting tools you used in the head R&T?
The only palms I dread worse than fans and reclinadas are canary island date palms. Balling and slicking mature old date palms that have never been slicked before has to be the most grueling,dangerous, physically demanding, dusty filthy, chainsaw dulling/killing work in this biz.
SoCal palms are no joke, precariously attached mex-palm bags have killed more climbers in the southwest than any other single tree species I can think of. Date palm spikes have put the hurt on hundreds if not thousands of climbers over the years here.
Kudos to you for having what it takes to deal with them safely R&T.
jomoco
Other than the high trim I think you did a good job, including getting all the fruit cut out of the head.
May I ask which cutting tools you used in the head R&T?
The only palms I dread worse than fans and reclinadas are canary island date palms. Balling and slicking mature old date palms that have never been slicked before has to be the most grueling,dangerous, physically demanding, dusty filthy, chainsaw dulling/killing work in this biz.
SoCal palms are no joke, precariously attached mex-palm bags have killed more climbers in the southwest than any other single tree species I can think of. Date palm spikes have put the hurt on hundreds if not thousands of climbers over the years here.
Kudos to you for having what it takes to deal with them safely R&T.
jomoco
ANSI Z133.1 9.2.6 Palm frond skirts that have three or more years growth SHALL be removed from top down.
I use the adjustable false crotch Ddrd all the time, and never come close to killing the palm. If you cann't get a lift to the palm, this is the only way to clean them. I use a technque called the trunck walk, that let's my legs do most of the work, but will not use it with palms that have a heavy beard, that's where the walker would be nice.
jm2c
I use the adjustable false crotch Ddrd all the time, and never come close to killing the palm. If you cann't get a lift to the palm, this is the only way to clean them. I use a technque called the trunck walk, that let's my legs do most of the work, but will not use it with palms that have a heavy beard, that's where the walker would be nice.
jm2c
Some full skirted wash fans can be done safely from the bottom up with 20+ years growth on them, but being able to see a dangerous bag takes a good experienced eye. A break in the bags uniformity and distance from the crown are two indicators of a loose dangerous bag.
Factors like humidity,wind, birds nests, and age play a role in bags dropping.
The same is true of untrimmed date palms in their natural state. And a date palm "bag" falling on you would be frightful indeed, but a much quicker death might be preferrable in that unenviable situation.
I see dangerous wash bags throughout the county and feel an underlying compulsion to put a sign on them saying climbers beware.
It would be a good public service to minimize expensive fire dept resources each time it kills or injures the next climber, which seems to happen twice a year now.
jomoco
Factors like humidity,wind, birds nests, and age play a role in bags dropping.
The same is true of untrimmed date palms in their natural state. And a date palm "bag" falling on you would be frightful indeed, but a much quicker death might be preferrable in that unenviable situation.
I see dangerous wash bags throughout the county and feel an underlying compulsion to put a sign on them saying climbers beware.
It would be a good public service to minimize expensive fire dept resources each time it kills or injures the next climber, which seems to happen twice a year now.
jomoco
Jomoco,, Let me explain to you on these Mex palm trees , you can cut the heck out of these palms and there is no way that you are going to kill them , they are the cockroach trees and you cant kill them..
Andy , try the new rope walker system on the SRT , you'll love it
Later in SO-CAL
Andy , try the new rope walker system on the SRT , you'll love it
Later in SO-CAL
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Some full skirted wash fans can be done safely from the bottom up with 20+ years growth on them, but being able to see a dangerous bag takes a good experienced eye. A break in the bags uniformity and distance from the crown are two indicators of a loose dangerous bag.
Factors like humidity,wind, birds nests, and age play a role in bags dropping.
jomoco
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What? Yea...you roll the dice man, I've got kids.
Some full skirted wash fans can be done safely from the bottom up with 20+ years growth on them, but being able to see a dangerous bag takes a good experienced eye. A break in the bags uniformity and distance from the crown are two indicators of a loose dangerous bag.
Factors like humidity,wind, birds nests, and age play a role in bags dropping.
jomoco
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What? Yea...you roll the dice man, I've got kids.
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