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sad and senseless deaths.
i am currently doing all the trees in the parks for the city of compton. i have a alepo pine that has a 3 braid wire stuck to one of its trunks that leans over an apt bldg. it has actually pushed the wire 8' from a support pole and broken it free and then goes to a transformer and then drops into an apt complex.
i talked with an sce rep and was told to do what i had to do and they would fix the line later if it needed it, not even willing to drop the line..i am going to try to go over that reps head and get the line dropped or do it myself, rather than put one of my non ehap trained guys in it...i preffer a couple hour disconnect.kinda risky plus having to leave a 1/2'd block of wood hanging on a loose wire possibly having to tie it to a pole to keep it off the roof is lame.
 
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on a side note the compton fire dept found out i was training my guys in ariel rescue in the park the other day and wants to train with us because they didnt even know we were capable of doing one and want to share knowledge and expectations of rescue techniques with us.
they just got a guy out of a palm with a ladder truck a month ago and i asked what if it was a back yard and they said they didnt know what they would have done.
this is the first fire dept i have approached that is willing to make time to train with me, and believe me i have asked over a dozen....lets here it for the compton fire dept.
 
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on a side note the compton fire dept found out i was training my guys in ariel rescue in the park the other day and wants to train with us because they didnt even know we were capable of doing one and want to share knowledge and expectations of rescue techniques with us.
they just got a guy out of a palm with a ladder truck a month ago and i asked what if it was a back yard and they said they didnt know what they would have done.
this is the first fire dept i have approached that is willing to make time to train with me, and believe me i have asked over a dozen....lets here it for the compton fire dept.

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That's very cool. Keep us updated on how it goes.
 
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i will, its interesting because all the hispanic climbers cracked jokes about the few extra goodies i have on the back of my belt, and boy they sure changed their attitude towards me when i got one of their head foremen down from the tree with ease...this is going to be interesting..they all are curious about what the wheto can do now...any advice or suggestions would be apppreciated
 
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I read the story yesterday and I re-read it again today. This line bothered me "he came falling back down". One point of contact....Here is a little saying I was told when I first started doing rope work "1-2-1, never none"
 
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I'm in a on a tech rescue team for my fire department. I'm getting ready to do a drill for our regional rescue team on tree worker rescue. Any idead you have would be great.
 
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i think the harder the better. maybe the climbers line isnt service-able and needs a different tie in..or he's redirected out on a traverse. not just the standard hey look juan is 30 feet up in a wide open tree.
what about electrical contact has been made and not broken..the isa video for that is kinda vague....oh lets throw a new rope over the primaries and pull it back from the worker..yeah ill do that, (and posssibly become charcoal..no)
bucket truck in primaries,,,tires popped from electricity passing thru...ok im not shuffle stepping to this one
what do y'all think,?
these are just a few of my ideas
 
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i sent a few ideas to the forum below your post, let me know what y'all try...i m going for something real, not this fake half steppin training, i am going to progressively make the rescues harder and more technichal for my crews...i just took a job as a safety officer and i have about 120 mexi's to train, about 10 are certified tree workers. none compete, or use anything technological in their equipment they use, belt, steel flip line (with a cats paw knot dead ended with a screw link)and a small rope some on taughtline some on suicide (3 wraps) thats it. freakin scary.
score so far 1 fatality in feb. 1 fall still out of work since my interview...(that made want to pay me more to get me on staff)
good luck, train hard, and stay safe
dave
 
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Familiarizing the Team with DRT system would be a good place to start. Most rope rescue teams use SRT and don't know the 1st thing about our system.
Checking the tree for hazards, check for a proper trunk flare, look for mushrooms growing near the base of the tree.
It's great that your team is doing this. Very rare indeed.
 
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Yeah a few things.

It says that they were 8000 volt lines.

Was he working for a private tree crew or clearing lines for the power company?

It sounds to me he was working for a private company, went up and cleaned the palm, on the way down contacted the line.

That means the line must have been within body reach of the palm. Now isn't the rule 10' for non-cert people? and cert people would be restricted to 3' unless operating out of fully insulted bucket etc.

Another sad loss and what were the groundies watching, their cellphones? Everyone knew the wire was there but no spotter?

A lot of the wires on the top of the poles here are 11000volt, they drop down to transformers for the 240v/415v service that everyone uses.

If a tree part is within 3' or above that wire and I have to do work or a TD the power company must clear it and that's for a certified guy. A non cert it's 10'
 
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It's a very sad thing...23 years is not very old...somebody's son is gone...illegal, or not, he has folksand family that care about him. The rest of us need to stay aware and stay as safe as we can.
 
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I hade a power guy tell me the other day not to worry about the residential feed lines. He professes that since they are plastic covered, you can actually grab one and not worry about it. He states the ONLY problem is if you cut into one. Seemed a little shady to me. I understood there being a shock hazard no matter what. Any suggestions or feed back?

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This "power guy" is definitely shady! Triplex service lines are fully electrically insulated unless some other environmental condition has degraded it. I've seen them chewed by squirrels, dry rotted by sun and side stripped by an idiot's pole saw. All could be potential for the demon getting out.

If your not Line Clearance Qualified, even if you have no intention of breaking 10' proximity - get the training! Even if it's just a video and a mail-in test, it still cheap than a funeral.
 
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I hade a power guy tell me the other day not to worry about the residential feed lines. He professes that since they are plastic covered, you can actually grab one and not worry about it. He states the ONLY problem is if you cut into one. Seemed a little shady to me. I understood there being a shock hazard no matter what. Any suggestions or feed back?

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Yeah, they may have some insulation but ever hear of abrasion or squirrels? I cannot tell you how many times we've bounced a house drop with a small limb and had fireworks pop from an exposed area on the drop lines.

200 volts can still mess you up!

insulation or not, healthy respect is due.
 
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