do we need an eye-splices???

i think that with a short eyesplice(or bowline); giving only 1 leg of support to device, the failure would come on bridge between spliced eye and mount.

A long eye splice, could give more support to that weakest link in chain, by virtue of presenting 2 legs of support to the device, where 1 failed; and friction decreasing line force appreciabley before the 2 legs became 1 to carry the load, let alone the more 'tender' jointing. Splice/jointing could prolly be more than 1/2 way around mount/spar, but trying not to get too close to the forces of the restraining bight, from oppposite direction. The line to the jointing on that restraining bight side is only 1/2 the restiction force, as the working end traces back around, as another leg of the bight. This restriction force is dependant on direction of pull, as to how much percentage of the original pull to the eye side is placed on the restriction side. Pulling backwards on eye, placing 2/1 on restriction bight etc.

So would prefer a long eye, with adjustability for different mounting sizes. Some loading decreased by friction would buffer splice vs. bowline strength differance, and extend 2 legs of support. Using a double bowline, giving softer primary arc to bowline jointing, thus more strength, closing the gap even more between it and splice strength.

A bowline giving the total length of line more flexability, being able to untie and use an extra 9-15' (as opposed to long spliced, fixed eye) etc.

Splice is sure handy and strong, most compact when ya need that, an example of the strongest, most secure knot to learn from; but it is of fixed length, and wears on the same point. Sometimes that can affect what strategy ya choose i think. i think on a short eye, that a DBY might be about as strong as a Cow; especially Cow tightly strung on small mount. Figuring sharper primary bend in turn on a smaller mount, and flatter teepee at restricting bight to eye, both leveraging Cow more (after DBY). Strength of eyesplice above that of cow bridge, not mattering.
 
I don't remember if I asked or just thunk it, sorry if it's a repeat.

What did Frans and company use in the Volvo-drops?
 
No argument from me, Mahk. I agree completely re long loops on eye splice makes great sense. The originator of this thread had one source which gave him information that could be interpreted as in conflict with your reference; in both cases the numbers are pretty close, so some test pulls would be fun to see.
 
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The originator of this thread had one source which gave him information that could be interpreted as in conflict with your reference;

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He and I are using the same reference ('Rigging For Removal Workbook' from the National Arborist Association, now the Tree Care Industry Association), but I think he misinterpreted what it was saying. The material is presented in a single table, but in a convoluted way. The knots that are tied with a length of rope are given a "...% strength loss" while the hitches that are formed with an eye and eye sling are given a "...% of possible strength". /forum/images/graemlins/icon310.gif The reader has to extrapolate the 'strength loss' of the hitches to make any comparison.

Mahk
 
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Getting back to Marcin's original question...."Do we need an eye splice?"
No, we don't. We could use bigger rigging slings, tie the knots, then deal with the clumsy knots while up in the tree.
But why would you? It is simply easier to tie the cow/stilson hitch when you are using a spliced sling.
I suggest that after you consider time fumbling in the tree, in the long run the spliced sling ends up cheaper that the tied bowline.
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I don't make clumsy knots ...and acording to:
"after you consider time fumbling in the tree, in the long run the spliced sling ends up cheaper that the tied bowline"

Don't tell me you don't know how to preper a permanent loop useing for example the "yosemite bowline" so you won't fumble in the tree....
Plus you can retie it from time to time ...
Marcin
 
Marcin, we all know how tie great knots. But what I'm suggesting here is that when you have a knot, you have clumps of rope all bundled up together. As I see it, it's easier to tie the stilson/cow/lashing hitch with a smoothly spliced sling. The rope slides over the throat of the splice as you're getting ready to tie the knot. Nothing gets caught at the knot in tying. Is this making sense????

Either way, maybe this is minor. No, we don't NEED splices.

We don't need rope to do this job either.

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nick
 
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Man,,, I thought this one was done! /forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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No, we don't NEED splices.
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nick

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It's done now..:)
 
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I still say we need to bust some sh8t to truely find out whose way is better. Not even for gloating rights, more for induustry benefit.

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I agree completely
Marcin
 
Welcome Mohamed, it sure took a long time for @sorek to get the answer he was looking for. That was the ridiculous part of this thread for me, perhaps you meant something else?

On a different note, I'm curious what tree work is like in your country. Any response will be appreciated. Thanks.
 

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