Darin

I think AS has gone wayyyy downhill. It now seems to be loaded with a bunch of goofs who don't really do tree work on a day to day basis, but put off their opinions as if they are tried and true when you can tell that it really is a bunch of BS they pulled out of thier ass. I hope this site stays as is and those dorks stay and keep posting over there. When 16-17yr old kids are giving advice like they have been doing tree work for 20yrs it bugs me.

Darin.... He is a business computer geek, not a tree guy from what I can tell. He thinks he is protecting his turf, but in reality he is just downgrading the overall quality.

Greg
 
Something to consider is where all of this information is going to end up. Darin is only in it for the money. If it doesn't continue to make money he will sell Arboristsite. He has not ties to the industry and has show very little or no interest. If he can't get money for it, it will just disappear.

I believe it's best for arboriculture to keep posted information in the hands of arborist.....and arborist that would pass it on for the sake of prosperity.

Dan Nelson
 
It does appear that business at any and all costs is the justification for social action now days. For the large and most part.

However there are a few good folks that hit any and all sites for betterment not just of the work and it's dollar rewards, but personal acheivement too.

I'm a walking wounded insofar as disseminating tried information for what I thought was the advancement of a peculiar area of science. Following leads to the ends I thought would help establish a common-ground diagnostic and problem solving ideal, I worked myself into involuntary poverty and find little solice in the fact that not just a few start-up companies have parasitized good work and applied the age-old American "screw you" mentality of proprietary "secret formula" that only they have and need not share with anyone else. Exactly like trade secret protection our tax dollars insure and private corporations exploit.

Egos, like the goose-bump commercials offered by the Armed Services, are delicate and superficial. Rewards of bigger bucks is the base-line denominator of culture here, exemplified by business taking over complete control of American government.
Once one of the people, now one of Wall Street.

This site isn't as busy as the chatter of AS, something people feel a need to support themselves in. Important things to say are singular, before often met with dialogue that refines an idea or a task at hand. That's what I see here...ask a question or present a notion, by the time the thread loses interest a combined rally of input often leads to even a better more polished original post and most often not just solves a problem, but presents further inquiry and thought. A.S. justs get met with an assortment of hyperbole, insult, or laughs, sometimes constructive redress. But either way, it's not completely useless. I find rewards there sometimes, and the negative simplistic remarks more often than not help me toughen-up my resolve and make me better at what I do. Or at least what it is I'm trying to say.

Even if the membership there is by and largely growing lawn-service adolescents, input every so often just might make them more responsible human beings when obviously they show evidence now and then as being quite the opposite.

I hate money, don't quite understand it but know by now it's pretty necessary. Whatever that has to do with anything I don't know, but had to say it. Often I myself don't offer anything more than disgruntled opinion, backed-up by nothing more than my feelings at the time. I feel human today, have a friend suffering thru things no one should have to experience. On the other hand, the last job went like crap and the landowner should be hung-up by his thumbs and shot. Let's see which capacity and feelings I'll be still holding onto tonight.

Later.
Reed
 
I am going to agree with most of the others here.

Arborsite is going downhill. Most of the discussions seem to be people talking about others which is not the purpose of the forums. This site seems a bit more professional. I also agree that AS is mostly part-time persons (nothing wrong with it though). Although I have received useful information from the site.

The rules to seem a bit squirrely and the whole setup seems to be getting quite boring. There are hardly any new, interesting posts anymore. Is this because everything and anything has already been discussed? Will Tree Buzz suffer the same fate? Ditto for the ISA site? I do not know.

I have visited the Masterblaster sight but it seems too confusing. Way too much going on over there! But I will continue to visit to see if I am missing anything. Perhaps it will take time to convert over.
 
Reed,

You have a unique way of expressing yourself. Thanks for taking the time to do so.

I don't mean to pry, but if it is information to which you care to share, I am thinking of the statement towards the end regarding your friend. Would you mind elaborating as to why your friend's situation is causing you to feel "human" today?
 
i started on internet mebbe over a decade ago; the whole idea was the wonder of dropping borders across even continents to me. i guess the buiness world has finally crept into the hippy free flow! It is Darin's buisness and all at AS.

BUT:

Darin says, he foots the bill; but not for the total cost of what he claims his domain, say i. It is we that have paid the BeaST(Blood, Sweat and Tears) for the harvest of these ideas. Then at the end of a grueling day far away from office air conditioning, it is we that come home and might not consider the day done, until we get that sharing out. That none should have to trip over the same log as you did that day! It is our spirit of sharing and wanting to know more in this fascinating thing we do; that feeds and drives it all, even what Darin takes credit for.

i guess we must fairly ask Tom & Mark; which cost is greater, paying the bank once a month; or the BeaST your whole life at work and even sleep, studying on top of that too; for what is gathered (t)here.

To me, this concept is like tracing the emanating force from one point and it's direction and angle of focus in some schematic diagram of motion or electricity, all is such force transferance. Sometimes as i draw, i look where Darin's concept comes from, and how it flows, to evaluate it. TB coming out leaps ahead of AS in that reguard.

"To win battles you do not beat weapons -- you beat the soul of man, of the enemy man. To do that you have to destroy his weapons, but that is only incidental" -Patton

i referance this quote not in calling a rising as this warlord did; but to point out even in his world; it is the hearts of men that matter. Everythng else is just how that intent is projected, different vehichles that carry it forward. We had more weapons and technology than the Vietnamese... Our hosts here, have the better focus of intent all ways and always; the differances in policies is just 1 outward sign of that. Anyone that has been around, has obvioulsy seen there are more such signs and permutations of this better intent.

"In the universe there is an immeasurable, indescribable force which shamans call intent, and absolutely everything that exists in the entire cosmos is attached to intent by a connecting link.” ~ CARLOS CASTANEDA

Is the quote that took Dr. Wayne Dyer from authoring "Your Erroneous Zones" to "The Power of Intention"; pairallelling Judeo/Christian and Zen/Sanskirt scriptures; even our laws; that it is the intent of man that matters.

On the scale of balance; greed more than sharing powers Darin's motives of intent compared Tom & Mark's or the layed back Mass'rBlass'rs sight. Tom, Mark, Butch is/are one of us, comrades at arms etc. One of the few on the planet that could understand what you do, let alone come rescue you! Even though Tom about invented the Climber's Forum idea, even though at some turns it seems that Darin has outmarketed; and that would be hard to take; it is Tom that goes to AS to save a life possibly and set someone straight. Darin can't touch that; it is such a big thing; laying all else aside for this continued giving. In this way, Tom befits another very powerful, favorite quote and aim of mine once again, as i have seen him do in other ways before, 5 lil'words: "and in giving without measure"-The Moody Blues

Things should be Tree, Buisness (buisness as a sub category, after thought) and not Buisness, Trees; 2 different spirits, 2 different intents. i have had this quiet knowing for years now. Becasue of it, i've felt bad posting at AS; but my soul intention was to learn the most, and give the most; and that is where the shear volume was for that purpose. Privately i have even tried to fumble different apologies to Tom for that; for i knew his (and Mark's) efforts deserved the recognition etc. more; but perhaps more lives, more trees could be saved posting at AS. i wish all well, but hear i wish that TB is all of our's new home.

Okay, ya can come out now;
rant over! /forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
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... I worked myself into involuntary poverty... I hate money, don't quite understand it but know by now it's pretty necessary.

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I had to do a double-take and make sure I hadn't posted that!

Venturing off-topic:

Maybe my take on it is more along the lines of "I hate to charge people money". The two aspects of that are that if they can't do something for themselves I for some strange reason feel like charging them to help them out is taking advantage of their misfortune; and if they can do it for themselves, why would they want to pay somebody else to do it? When the bills come due and I peer into my empty wallet I wonder "what the hell's wrong with this picture?".

Maybe this is a cry for help...

Glen
 
Ken,

You make a lot of sense here. The initial expense of starting a website (as you know) is what you allow it to be. Tom and I went a little overboard at first, but that's alright. Truth is now this website and AS for that matter pay for themselves. Sponsors have realized the value in such support and understand how the membership will shop and support them out of loyality for their help.

If TreeBuzz was just a forum and we didn't update the software or we didn't offer updated info like the "Articles" page or "TreeBuzz Spotlight" page, it might only cost 1K per year or so. That's not too bad considering the opportunities for us all to interact whenever we want and at whatever level we want. That's worth a lot more to me!

As you also stated, the members pay the most. It is the selfless act of sharing ideas that costs the most (the BeaST as you say) rather than a few thousand dollars here and there. If it weren't for the network of experience and knowledge, this site (and others) would have a value of -$. And on that note, I personally thank you all for stopping in and giving your support through sharing, and in doing so, make our efforts of hosting this site worthwhile (and then some). Thank You! /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
For once I must say, Spydie- very well worded. Stupendous post.

Yeah, that guy is a bit kooky. Several of you have raised good points about Mark and Tom being vested in what is going on on these sites and the industry as a whole. And TreeSpyder makes an awesome point that I never even once considered...Darin (and Mark & Tom) are the one paying the bill for all this, but without the posters (us) the site is nothing.


Don't let the ring fall into his hands. He will only use it for evil! /forum/images/graemlins/applaudit.gif

love
nick
 
Mark, in response to your question concerning my friend. I keep track of people I've met from the years past when I was a cancer patient. We root for each other a lot because it seemed to have worked back then. Sometimes it works miracles, other times it can't. I do believe in magic though and trying to smile tonight to exercise some.

'Human' meant us, not everyting we do or what it is we're building, but those moments when we weep, and then shine. Nothing to be bought, sold, or hate about, but we do and it's primary, it seems, to who we seem to have become...sometimes...the hate part. It not only clouds judgements, it clouds human abilities.

She might not make it, and if that's so, what she contributed to by sharing with others is what we all see now. And sharing that back with her. It's a celebration she's unwittingly forced together and she'll love that, and so will we.
 
Sorry to hear that Reed. I would jump for joy if they found a cure for the C-word. I lost a friend ( a great hockey player amongst other things) to brain cancer on his 34th B-day. Tough to smile about that. However, his son is doing well and his wife is very strong. They'll be fine, but will miss him nonetheless.
 
Ken,

Your words come at a good time. Thanks so much for taking the time to share your verse. Having a place to meet and let the sawdust fall out on the floor is rewarding.

Thanks to everyone else for taking the time to post. Not only that, the tone and feeling is very professional. Everyone has been involved in threads that spin into flames. And I'm not refering to AS. I stopped going to other recreational interest forums because of the trash talk and blathering. I'm glad that we don't have to have bouncers on the payroll at the Tree Buzz Cafe.

Keep up the good work friends!
 
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I would jump for joy if they found a cure for the C-word.

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I just posted something in the TreeFreeZone about this. "They" haven't found a cure for cancer because "they" aren't interested in one - "they" are interested in maintaining the exhorbitant profits of the drug/medical industry.

One of the most promising treatments for cancer was being developed in the 70's by the most respected cancer researcher in the world, Dr. Kanematsu Sugiura, who had been at Memorial Sloan Kettering since 1917, with more than 60 years of cancer research under his belt.

Five years of careful study showed that laetrile (vitamin B-17), a derivative of apricot pits, was able to stem and reverse metastasis. When it was time for him to move on to clinical trials, his funding was pulled and he was forbidden to speak publicly about his findings.

The assistant director of public relations for Sloan Kettering at the time, Dr. Ralph Moss, was forced to write press releases which falsified the positive results of the research. A couple years later, after complaining, he was fired and has since become one of the world's most prominent experts on alternative cancer therapies.

Laetile, unfortunately, was banned in the US. A close friend of mine in his 70's went to Mexico for holistic treatment of his advanced cancer, which included laetrile, and was cured within a year.

The "problem" with laetrile is that is was not patentable and offered no opportunity for mega-profits. So the medical establishment not only ignored it, they lied about it and made sure it was illegal (kind of like medical marijuana).

- Robert
 
Re: I got the 7-day boot!

All you folks that said bad things about Darin here in this thread better clean your posts up if it's not too late, hahaha! I've currently got a link in the AS thread (link somewhere earlier in this thread) back to this thread. We'll see how long it stays airborne...

Hey, here's a thought: Darin could have his server guy reject requests for items from his site if the links to them were followed from here. That's a trivial thing to do (but also trivial to circumvent if the browser-user knows how to switch off sending the referer [sic] header).

Here it is (was?) circular links

Glen
 
Re: I got the 7-day boot!

They could tell ya, but then they'd hafta kill ya.

I did 750,000 last month...
 
Re: I got the 7-day boot!

There are better ways of calculating the strength of a website than using "hit counters" Hits can be many things that aren't connected to a monitor, keyboard, live person with a check book to buy from the sponsors. There are lots of electronic whozits flying around generating hits. Does that mean that there is more traffic? How do you measure quality traffic? Who cares? :)

Let's move on a little. I never wanted to have this spin into a us vrs. them discussion.

When I was learning treework, Marv was a thorn in the side to a full time tree company. The biggie felt that Marv had no business being in business because he only did treework for /forum/images/graemlins/beer.gif money. Mr. Big was in full time. I learned a good lesson from Marv: There's plenty of trees for all of us.

Well, the same thing goes on the Internet. There's plenty of arbos for all of us :)

If the customer finds a better value somewhere else, they'll go there. The job of a business owner is to creat value. Even though TB is a small, well, tiny, business, it's Mark and my job to create value to our buddies and sponsors. It seems like we've done that.
 

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